Brexit or not, it's time to dismantle the NHS

[AtW]

£140 bln ring fenced...

[Old Greg]

There's a reason why no-one in Europe copied it - its a turd of a Soviet system and we're increasingly suffering because of it.
Not even France who you could hardly accuse of wholeheartedly embracing raw capitalism.
Instead the French sensibly invented a pragmatic system that looked after the poor as well as the rich through a public-private system.
Yet if you hear the left whining about the NHS, you'd think we had invented the nirvana of health, a perfected system that must not be touched at any cost.
The cretinism of these lefty morons is only matched by the imbecility of the hooray-henry posh boys at the other end of the spectrum.

Would you like to see UK government expenditure on healthcare adjusted to French levels?

[sasguru]

Would you like to see UK government expenditure on healthcare adjusted to French levels?

I prefer the German system, it has more choice.

And to answer your question, as a % of GDP yes I would like increased spending.
Problem is if we increased our spending from about 8% to 10-11% (aka Germany) in the current system we still wouldn't match the outcomes.

Not all lefties are cretins when it comes to healthcare analysis, this article goes against the professed principles of the website it's on:

What do international comparisons say about the NHS?

[OwlHoot]

There's a reason why no-one in Europe copied it - its a turd of a Soviet system and we're increasingly suffering because of.

If timid, undecided remainers could be persuaded, or rather simply reminded, that a TTIP deal between the EU and US would very likely demand the privatisation of the NHS to allow US competition for medical services then the Brexit campaign would walk it by a landslide!

I'm all in favour of privatising the NHS, with strictly limited medical liability and a set scale of compensation payments, to avoid the absurd amount of litigation and health insurance expense they suffer in the US.

But to most people in the UK it is almost literally a sacred institution, venerated as superstitious mediaevil peasants once did the holy Mother Church!

[sasguru]

If timid, undecided remainers could be persuaded, or rather simply reminded, that a TTIP deal between the EU and US would very likely demand the privatisation of the NHS to allow US competition for medical services then the Brexit campaign would walk it by a landslide!

I'm all in favour of privatising the NHS, with strictly limited medical liability and a set scale of compensation payments, to avoid the absurd amount of litigation and health insurance expense they suffer in the US.

But to most people in the UK it is almost literally a sacred institution, venerated as superstitious mediaevil peasants once did the holy Mother Church!

Don't mention the US. I certainly don't want that system. Why on earth would you want a system that spends 16% of GDP, yet can't pay for its poorest and has worse outcomes even for its richest?

[sasguru]

If timid, undecided remainers could be persuaded, or rather simply reminded, that a TTIP deal between the EU and US would very likely demand the privatisation of the NHS to allow US competition for medical services then the Brexit campaign would walk it by a landslide!

I'm all in favour of privatising the NHS, with strictly limited medical liability and a set scale of compensation payments, to avoid the absurd amount of litigation and health insurance expense they suffer in the US.

But to most people in the UK it is almost literally a sacred institution, venerated as superstitious mediaevil peasants once did the holy Mother Church!

Oh and if you want TTIP you need to vote to remain in the EU.
You're almost as bad as Xog with the senility

[OwlHoot]

You're almost as bad as Xog with the senility

I was simply pointing out that remaining in the EU will very likely result in a TTIP deal being agreed that compels the NHS to be privatised.

As I previously mentioned, that doesn't bother me anymore than you say it does you. But for most people in the UK it is a doomsday scenario, hence the advantage I pointed out which the Brexiters will have in bringing it up.

My only objection to TTIP, and a privatised NHS, is litigation that forces democratically elected governments to yield to large US corporations.

You're so used to combative discussions here you don't notice when someone is agreeing with you for once!

[scooterscot]

I wonder how different things would be if NI were indeed used to pay for the NHS... and not all the other hidden taxes.

[Unix]

The NHS is one of the great achievements of the UK, it's envied all over the world. The only reason it isn't copied is because super rich and power people in those countries don't want/need it and they make the decisions. They own the media and push articles like the one your new "opinion" is copied from.

HTH BIDI

[OwlHoot]

The NHS is one of the great achievements of the UK, it's envied all over the world. ...

You sound like my grandparents crowing about the NHS back in the 1960s

Laughing stock of the World more like, with the money poured into it, and the Stalinist control exerted over healthcare.