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Agile - at what point do you just tell someone to take a hike?
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Agile is meant to be a mindset that you get into for it to work well. I underwent the training years ago when I was a perm. In principle, it works well but inevitably managers want to do it on the cheap; typically some idiot wanting to do paired-programming with just one programmer, that sort of garbage.
It also depends on what you're delivering; it works far better if you can go live with the end-of-sprint deliverable, as you can be seen to be delivering regularly, which is how it was sold.The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Ever work in an environment with 'stretch targets'.
Ok everyone, big push, stretch target. Ok everyone that went well, lets have another one.
The whole normalisation of deviance thing.Comment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostAgile is meant to be a mindset that you get into for it to work well. I underwent the training years ago when I was a perm. In principle, it works well but inevitably managers want to do it on the cheap; typically some idiot wanting to do paired-programming with just one programmer, that sort of garbage.
It also depends on what you're delivering; it works far better if you can go live with the end-of-sprint deliverable, as you can be seen to be delivering regularly, which is how it was sold.
Imagine, getting into work on a wet Monday morning with a thick head after being stuck for 2 hours on the M27 to have to bunk up with some spotty permie who is probably just as excited about sharing his personal space with me as I am sharing mine with him.
NOOOO!!Comment
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As a fully agile trained PM (amongst many other things) I have found that people use 'Agile' instead of 'we have no requirements and no idea what we are doing but lets keep doing something'
And because there are no requirements it looks like 'nothing' is being done because there is nothing to judge results against.
If a project is done truly as an Agile project then it can reap rewards but too often senior mgmt. and exec's see Agile as an excuse to keep changing requirements because 'that part has not been built yet' - completely oblivious to the fact that just because the visible UI has not been built it does not mean the underlying infrastructure has not been built.
But hey ho keep invoicing etcComment
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Originally posted by Gumbo Robot View PostAnswering my own question from the OP here but pair programming is where I draw the line. I wouldn't ever accept a role where pair programming featured.
Imagine, getting into work on a wet Monday morning with a thick head after being stuck for 2 hours on the M27 to have to bunk up with some spotty permie who is probably just as excited about sharing his personal space with me as I am sharing mine with him.
NOOOO!!
It's always happened since people started developing software. If you got stuck on something and sat there banging your head against a wall for an amount of time, you'd ask another dev to "lend me your eyes and see if you can spot where...." etc..
Worked at place for a while where the cool kids had taken over the asylum and those people were mental. Literally paired on renaming a flipping variable. In 6 months there I'll wager I wrote less than 100 lines of code.Comment
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostAgile is meant to be a mindset that you get into for it to work well. I underwent the training years ago when I was a perm. In principle, it works well but inevitably managers want to do it on the cheap; typically some idiot wanting to do paired-programming with just one programmer, that sort of garbage.
It also depends on what you're delivering; it works far better if you can go live with the end-of-sprint deliverable, as you can be seen to be delivering regularly, which is how it was sold.
And yes the idea of pair programming fills me with horror too. If we all had to share a computer with somebody else all day CUK's post count would seriously plummet.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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Originally posted by OnceStonedRose View PostPairing should be done when necessary and only then.
It's always happened since people started developing software. If you got stuck on something and sat there banging your head against a wall for an amount of time, you'd ask another dev to "lend me your eyes and see if you can spot where...." etc..
Worked at place for a while where the cool kids had taken over the asylum and those people were mental. Literally paired on renaming a flipping variable. In 6 months there I'll wager I wrote less than 100 lines of code.
Obviously the 2 heads is better than one scenario I don't have an issue with when necessary.
I just have it in my head that there's an interpretation of pp where you spend literally the whole project bunked up with someone else 9-5.
Please tell me this doesn't existComment
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Originally posted by Gumbo Robot View PostDepends on what you mean by pairing.
Obviously the 2 heads is better than one scenario I don't have an issue with when necessary.
I just have it in my head that there's an interpretation of pp where you spend literally the whole project bunked up with someone else 9-5.
Please tell me this doesn't existComment
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Originally posted by Gumbo Robot View PostDepends on what you mean by pairing.
Obviously the 2 heads is better than one scenario I don't have an issue with when necessary.
I just have it in my head that there's an interpretation of pp where you spend literally the whole project bunked up with someone else 9-5.
Please tell me this doesn't existThe greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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