The Falklands and Corbyn

[scooterscot]

How many billions do we spend defending a few hundred people on the other side of the planet just because they decide to call themselves British?

Too many.

If the Tories are serious about cutbacks they could look further afield than than hospitals and schools back home.

The socialist versus capitalist slant the thread is deflecting from the issue. Even a good capitalist realises that to make money is to save money elsewhere for return on investment. The Falkland Islands are prime target here. Dead weight.

Corbyn is looking to be a better capitalist than the Torries themselves at this rate!

[tomtomagain]

You're not getting it are you? Right policy for the right time, have a think about it.

Venezuela have been running a socialist experiment for the last few years. How's it working out for them? Is now the right time?

[tomtomagain]

Have a look at a map. You've got to admit Argentina (and Spain) may have a point.

So they are both closer to another country. Is that really a valid reason for having to be ruled by that country?

Especially when the people of those islands, when given a chance to vote on it democratically, have overwhelming voted not to be ruled by that country?

Doesn't feel right to me. Just because something is close you don't have automatic claims on ownership.

[VectraMan]

So they are both closer to another country. Is that really a valid reason for having to be ruled by that country?

Especially when the people of those islands, when given a chance to vote on it democratically, have overwhelming voted not to be ruled by that country?

Doesn't feel right to me. Just because something is close you don't have automatic claims on ownership.

I didn't say they had to be ruled by that country, just that Argentina and Spain may have a point.

If some Argentines took up residence on an uninhabited Scottish island, backed by the Argentine military, would that be okay? Or would the British people feel aggrieved? I think the latter.

[vetran]

I didn't say they had to be ruled by that country, just that Argentina and Spain may have a point.

If some Argentines took up residence on an uninhabited Scottish island, backed by the Argentine military, would that be okay? Or would the British people feel aggrieved? I think the latter.

It all belongs to the Spanish or Portugeese anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...lkland_Islands

1493: Pope Alexander VI issues a Papal bull, the Inter caetera, that divides the New World between Spain and Portugal.

but that includes Mexico & the states, surprising they don't want that back

[tomtomagain]

I didn't say they had to be ruled by that country, just that Argentina and Spain may have a point.

If some Argentines took up residence on an uninhabited Scottish island, backed by the Argentine military, would that be okay? Or would the British people feel aggrieved? I think the latter.

The Argentine military couldn't defend the Falklands against the British Army in 1982. Not sure how they'd fair trying to protect a settlement on a Scottish Island.

[DodgyAgent]

If we are going to go down the route of "cost" as a basis of what regions of britain we intend to protect then there are large swathes of the UK that we would be better off casting off than the Falklands. The only reason the Falklands are in Corbyn's line of site is because the Islanders represent everything he loathes about the British. They are nationalistic, would probably be natural Tory voters, they like and support the armed services. in other words they do not fall into the lefts circle of victims that they can exploit.

For me I would rather we cast Scotland off to Russia or Norway and use the money to create a bit of mischief by encouraging the Spanish to annex Argentina (which has more legitimacy than the Argentine claim over the falklands) And whilst we are at it in the interests of fairness lets give the Spanish enclaves in Morocco back to where they belong.

[Barley]

[QUOTE=seanraaron;2199749]If Argentina didn't have a democratically-elected government that didn't feel the islands we're worth going to war over again, let's face it, there's nothing the UK could do to stop them from taking them. QUOTE]


Before you start making wild claims you need to understand Argentina has virtually zero military capability.

Perhaps you can explain how they will deliver overwhelming force to take RAF Mount Pleasant without having their asses handed to them by the 21st century forces and reinforcement plan the UK has in place.

There is nothing Argentina could do to successfully take the Falklands short of starting a 10 year re-arming process (they can ill afford) - assuming they did we'd surely notice and reinforce accordingly. Utimately their economy could not afford the necessary forces/technology to stand a chance against the Typhoons, Type 45's and Astute SSNs Uk could deploy. It would be a turkey shoot.

[Troll]

[QUOTE=Barley;2199987]

If Argentina didn't have a democratically-elected government that didn't feel the islands we're worth going to war over again, let's face it, there's nothing the UK could do to stop them from taking them. QUOTE]


Before you start making wild claims you need to understand Argentina has virtually zero military capability.

Perhaps you can explain how they will deliver overwhelming force to take RAF Mount Pleasant without having their asses handed to them by the 21st century forces and reinforcement plan the UK has in place.

There is nothing Argentina could do to successfully take the Falklands short of starting a 10 year re-arming process (they can ill afford) - assuming they did we'd surely notice and reinforce accordingly. Utimately their economy could not afford the necessary forces/technology to stand a chance against the Typhoons, Type 45's and Astute SSNs Uk could deploy. It would be a turkey shoot.

Didn't the Ruskies offer to supply some equipment recently?

Same damn sneaky ruskies that offered the Argies to sink one of our capital ships with their subs in 82

[scooterscot]

For me I would rather we cast Scotland off to Russia or Norway and use the money to create a bit of mischief by encouraging the Spanish to annex Argentina (which has more legitimacy than the Argentine claim over the falklands) And whilst we are at it in the interests of fairness lets give the Spanish enclaves in Morocco back to where they belong.

It is ironic that as much of England's wealth (which is property these days) becomes transferred to foreign investors/equity firms and IPO's continue to destroy once renowned British institutions (mini, cadbury, rolls royce) to far away shareholders looking for quick buck, the Tories selling off any family sliver they can find, that you can claim 'cast off Scotland'.

Your head will be under water strangling you as you drown in debt before you get the chance to cast off Scotland.