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[SpontaneousOrder]

Islam isn't so bad and it really is a matter of interpretation

And which civilised society is based on Islam?

A big difference between christianity and islam is that islam is more than a religion - It's a mandated governmental system.

Someone else pointed out the fact that islam is also different insofar as one espouses certain principles, and then you have the choice to follow or not, and be judged accordingly.

The other doesn't give you the choice - and that behaviour is enforced.

These together make one more benign than the other.

[DodgyAgent]

A big difference between christianity and islam is that islam is more than a religion - It's a mandated governmental system.

Someone else pointed out the fact that islam is also different insofar as one espouses certain principles, and then you have the choice to follow or not, and be judged accordingly.

The other doesn't give you the choice - and that behaviour is enforced.

These together make one more benign than the other.

I am glad you explained that. I thought for a minute that we might be having to apologise for our religion and culture

[vetran]

The old testament is based on is ~ 3000 years old. The new Testament about 2000 &
The Koran about 1500 years.

Its funny they choose to compare the old testament with the Koran. I'm not christian but it seems the comparison should be between similar age books.

The "I do not permit women to teach" and similar thoughts on female emancipation were a common thought until about a century ago, its not really up there with chopping hands off or throwing gays off the building.

[SpontaneousOrder]

The old testament is based on is ~ 3000 years old. The new Testament about 2000 &
The Koran about 1500 years.

Its funny they choose to compare the old testament with the Koran. I'm not christian but it seems the comparison should be between similar age books.

The "I do not permit women to teach" and similar thoughts on female emancipation were a common thought until about a century ago, its not really up there with chopping hands off or throwing gays off the building.

It's funny that people judge religions by their books at all. What matters in practise is the religion in practise. And we all know that the sum of pretty much all religions is far greater than that of it's books. It's the churches that matter - a book never hurt anyone.

[vetran]

It's funny that people judge religions by their books at all. What matters in practise is the religion in practise. And we all know that the sum of pretty much all religions is far greater than that of it's books. It's the churches that matter - a book never hurt anyone.

With Christianity the book seems to be optional, certain sects adhere to it more than others.

Despite the old testament suggesting all kinds of unpleasantness there aren't many countries that stone people in the name of Jehovah.


In Islam the Koran is law. There are plenty of outwardly respectable countries that chop things off & kill people in the name of the Prophet.

If the book is used to underpin the whole of the religion and define its laws then it matters a great deal. Its just as stupid as denying the use of condoms if you are catholic.

[Bee]

All the religions have the same problems, until a smart psychopath uses to manipulate the population ignoring what the coran or the bible says.

The 10 commandments are the guide for Christians, the 1st one is "Do not kill" but they created the inquisition time that it's a shame for all Christians these days.

With the coran I believe it’s the same. What ISIS is doing are a shame for the rest of the muslins.

The politicians use the same criteria with ideologies believing what is the best for the countries, like Mussolini’s, Hitler, Stalin ........Trump (should I say this one)

Brainwashers bright Psychopaths and the objectives is all about the money.

[clearedforlanding]

Seriously?

It's funny that people judge religions by their books at all

It's the instruction manual. You can't have it being the word of God and not, it either is or it isn't.

The goal of Islam is to reach Sharia law, preferably through Jihad. There is an end to the world coming.

The core of Jesus' preaching is "take no thought for the morrow". Drop everything and follow Jesus. This is compatible with the eschatology of Abrahamic religions and possibly because there was a man who believed that the world was coming to an immediate end.

As soon as we start to consider interpretation of the Bible (there are a lot of different ones), who gets to arbitrate which interpretation is right, one of these Popes perhaps?

The Pope of The Roman Catholic Church?
The Pope of the Palmarian Catholic Church?
The Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa?
The Pope of Alexandria and Patriarch of All Africa?

Or perhaps in the COE the Queen?

I could not begin to list the amount of other "authorities".

Who's arbitrating the Quran?

Sunnis?
Shi`ites ?
Sufis ...?
Baha'is and Ahmadiyyas?

Again, I could not begin to list the amount of other "authorities".

And that's only 2 religions, the are 16 large or medium religions.

Without books, what do we have? Chinese whispers. Which is why all religious texts are so wildly inconsistent in the first place, even before we consider editing.

[clearedforlanding]

Despite the old testament suggesting all kinds of unpleasantness there aren't many countries that stone people in the name of Jehovah..

This is part of the argument that because Islam is so much younger it is (depending on your perspective) so much more violent at the moment. Go back a few hunred years in Christianity and there were very violent times.

[SpontaneousOrder]

With Christianity the book seems to be optional, certain sects adhere to it more than others.

Despite the old testament suggesting all kinds of unpleasantness there aren't many countries that stone people in the name of Jehovah.


In Islam the Koran is law. There are plenty of outwardly respectable countries that chop things off & kill people in the name of the Prophet.

If the book is used to underpin the whole of the religion and define its laws then it matters a great deal. Its just as stupid as denying the use of condoms if you are catholic.

Well I suppose perhaps the quran is more likely to be taken literally because of the reasons i mentioned in the other post. But it's still up to the leaders of institutions to decide how, and how much of it should be interpreted in what way.
Like you say, as far catholicism goes at least, the pope decides what's what and the book is, as Captain Barbossa says, more what you'd call guidelines.

[clearedforlanding]

Well I suppose perhaps the quran is more likely to be taken literally because of the reasons i mentioned in the other post. But it's still up to the leaders of institutions to decide how, and how much of it should be interpreted in what way.
Like you say, as far catholicism goes at least, the pope decides what's what and the book is, as Captain Barbossa says, more what you'd call guidelines.

The Quran is only 14% of Islamic doctrine. Sira comprises 26% and Hadith 60% - Hadith ebbs and flows as well as being interpreted.

Also there are 4 different Popes & two types of Catholicism. I assume you mean Roman in this instance.