And now... the end is near... and so I face..

**AtW** · 11 October 2006, 18:44

Permiedom is sh1t: I always got bollocked for being late by 5-10 mins, even though I always stayed longer than anyone else: next late when working from home now.

**Francko** · 11 October 2006, 18:57

Originally posted by mcquiggd

Meant I cannot hack this tulip any longer...

What would have been different if you were on a contract?

Shall I just remind what is the only purpose for going on a contract? M O N E Y! The rest is just sh1t anyway.
As you are about my age and you still believe in work recognition, what else do you believe in? Santa Claus?

**AtW** · 11 October 2006, 19:02

Team spirit.

**mcquiggd** · 11 October 2006, 19:13

A response:

As it was a permanent job:

A start would be the ability of a manager (who I sit directly opposite) to see
how much work, effort, and experience I had put into not only my own project, but other peoples when they asked me for my opinion... if on contract, that does not matter, as I am simply paid.

No, actually, the start would have been the manager (who I sit opposite) to acknowledge a 'good morning' once in a while... if on contract, that does not matter, as I am simply paid.

As Alexei mentioned, there is in fact, no team spirit in the group, as basically the manager ignores us, until he needs us... if on contract, that does not matter, as I am simply paid.

(The longer serving staff are actually very good. Not your typical permies - one has a Doctorate the other has a background in Physics and is completing his MBA.)

That is a summary of the failure of a manager to be able to do his job. Which is perhaps why contractors exist.

**Francko** · 11 October 2006, 19:17

Originally posted by mcquiggd

A start would be the ability of a manager (who I sit directly opposite) to see how much work, effort, and experience I had put into not only my own project, but other peoples when they asked me for my opinion... if on contract, that does not matter, as I am simply paid.

No, actually, the start would have been the manager (who I sit opposite) to acknowledge a 'good morning' once in a while... if on contract, that does not matter, as I am simply paid.

(The longer serving staff are actually very good. Not your typical permies - one has a Doctorate the other has a background in Physics and is completing his MBA.)

You are making the mistake of approaching a permie job with a permie mentality hoping to be recognized, climb up the career stair, and so on. Sure, it sounds like a paradox. But if you think you are there only for money and only because the benefits/salary/hourly rate pays more than the average contract, then you will be certainly more relaxed. It works for me at least.

**mcquiggd** · 11 October 2006, 19:18

Originally posted by Francko

You are making the mistake of approaching a permie job with a permie mentality hoping to be recognized, climb up the career stair, and so on. Sure, it sounds like a paradox. But if you think you are there only for money and only because the benefits/salary/hourly rate pays more than the average contract, then you will be certainly more relaxed. It works for me at least.

I have actually altered the post since you replied....

**WageSlave** · 12 October 2006, 04:56

The more you do for an organisation the less they appreciate it. The harder you work the more management dump on you. It's far more rewarding to sit on your backside and surf dodgy porn sites all day long (WS tip of the day).

**HankWangford** · 12 October 2006, 05:22

Originally posted by mcquiggd

.. more Contracter-dom.. (apologies to Sinatra et al).

Well, I managed to last nearly 6 months in permiedom, before:

Idiotic decision making based on who said 'inheritance' the most in a meeting. (I did retort with 'composition' but he thought I was talking about my school days)

Being picked up for being 10 minutes late (although id worked until 1.30am the night before I was supposed to give a presentation about the project, only to have it cancelled), and being reminded several times by his second in command to go home as I has done more hours than I should...

Helping to increase the performance one of the companies central applications - from 6 minutes to place an instruction for an asset purchase to 30 seconds - thereby assuaging their biggest client, then being completely ignored by management while glorying in their praise from the client,, to the extent that the guy who I had helped find the bottleneck actually had an outburst in a meeting and insisted my efforts were recognised.

General nastiness by the boss (who the day after criticising me for being 10 minutes late, dissapears for the afternoon with his other half (who happens to be the HR director!) to go shopping 'as he didnt have time when on holiday', which was the week before!

Meant I cannot hack this tulip any longer...

Posted my CV and had the first call back 10 minutes afterwards. Time to dust off the skull and cross bones once again....

Sorry to hear, I could tell from previous posts where you had mentioned the big presentation that you were putting in that extra mile. Just not worth it. Sad I know. Get out, then name and shame with phone number, then we can put our agents hat on and call him every 5 mins asking if he needs any contractors

**kramer** · 12 October 2006, 08:43

MAC - i thought this was a temporary gig anyway while you built up experience.. surely the bigger picture meant you weren't really looking for recognition and all the other crap that comes with it...

And now... the end is near... and so I face..