Crackdown on personal service companies could raise £400m in tax

[Tasslehoff]

But if I am confident my working practices put me outside of IR35

Can I simply not fill in the survey in a certain way to achieve a "tick"?

[BrilloPad]

But we know HMRC are failing already, small number of investigations, small number of wins - they just don't have the resource. If they manage to get a "Computer says no" system that works and they can show their masters that it works then why the heck not.

Who are their masters? The government is being run by HMRC. Is HMRC run by the master? Or maybe GALs?

The question will be how many contractors are forced into permanency. Whether by their own choice or by the client.

And how many contractors being forced into permanency will satisfy them?

HMRC do not seem to want a dynamic workforce.

[barrydidit]

A HMRC spokesman declined to comment. However, the Revenue is known to be “developing an online digital service to help IR35 customers work our whether the rules apply to them.

Will the customer always be right?

[BrilloPad]

But if I am confident my working practices put me outside of IR35

Can I simply not fill in the survey in a certain way to achieve a "tick"?

My plan B is telling contractors which boxes to tick to pass the survey.

Thing is, it looks like the client or agency may have to tick the boxes. That could be fun!

[Tasslehoff]

My plan B is telling contractors which boxes to tick to pass the survey.

Thing is, it looks like the client or agency may have to tick the boxes. That could be fun!

If it's the Agency I feel we could be ok. Client, we are pretty much screwed even if we are genuinely outside.

[BlueSharp]

But we know HMRC are failing already, small number of investigations, small number of wins - they just don't have the resource. If they manage to get a "Computer says no" system that works and they can show their masters that it works then why the heck not.

If it's an extension of the ESI test and you get a fail which the end client knows about it because the computer said no you should be taxed as an employee, surely that also means you get all the employee perks as well as you would pass the ESI test. So a contract that was signed as outside IR35 becomes a FTC?

If that's the case we can be dam sure the end client will be modifying their behavior to support our status. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

[d000hg]

In the new proposals is the implication that you're inside IR35 if you fail one or more of the SDC conditions rather as now, you're OK as long as you pass at least one?

For instance I work from home using my own equipment and choose my own hours. My work is not directly supervised but I am allocated pieces of work lasting from a few days to several months; I'm effectively an additional resource for when they have too much work for their permanent workforce.

[The Spartan]

Not sure about the other fine citizens of CUK but I've never been under any form of SDC in my contracts thankfully, whether or not it's because testing seems to be quite an independent activity or not remains to be seen.

I've tended to have a good business relationship with all the clients I've worked with so I'm sure I could coerce them into filling out the correct answers

[MicrosoftBob]

If it's an extension of the ESI test and you get a fail which the end client knows about it because the computer said no you should be taxed as an employee, surely that also means you get all the employee perks as well as you would pass the ESI test. So a contract that was signed as outside IR35 becomes a FTC?

If that's the case we can be dam sure the end client will be modifying their behavior to support our status. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

It's more likely you will be like a zero hours worker, with a lot less legal protections, no sickness benefit, holidays etc

[BlueSharp]

It's more likely you will be like a zero hours worker, with a lot less legal protections, no sickness benefit, holidays etc

The ESI test would deem you an employee not a worker so would get full rights. I guess that's why we see FTC not zero hour contracts at the moment.