The Lords and finance Bills.

[NickFitz]

But this wasn't a finance bill, in the sense of being primary legislation, which is what the convention applies to. Gideon and Dave thought they were being very clever by pushing it through as a statutory instrument instead; but that means the Lords damn well can block it.

The reason they used - or rather, tried to use - a statutory instrument is that it reduces the amount of scrutiny and debate it's subject to in the Commons. A statutory instrument is supposed to be used for minor matters that don't require a lot of discussion, not major legislation like this. But they thought they could get away with it, and they've been caught out, because it turns out they're not as clever as they think they are, the arrogant pair of twats.

LOL

[darmstadt]

Sneaky little barstewards are the Tories, but then we knew that all along:

Ministers accused of trying to sneak through new fracking rules | Environment | The Guardian

Human rights group challenges Government's change to ministerial code - Telegraph

[BolshieBastard]

But this wasn't a finance bill, in the sense of being primary legislation, which is what the convention applies to. Gideon and Dave thought they were being very clever by pushing it through as a statutory instrument instead; but that means the Lords damn well can block it.

The reason they used - or rather, tried to use - a statutory instrument is that it reduces the amount of scrutiny and debate it's subject to in the Commons. A statutory instrument is supposed to be used for minor matters that don't require a lot of discussion, not major legislation like this. But they thought they could get away with it, and they've been caught out, because it turns out they're not as clever as they think they are, the arrogant pair of twats.

LOL

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! And again shows an abject misunderstanding of the British Constitution.

Yes, it wasnt a Finance Bill. But, the convention is well established. The unelected chamber does not usurp the elected Government of the day on Finance Bills or matters as this was.

Anyway, one good thing to come out of it is we may very well see the unelected lordships powers severely watered down or, hopefully, abolished altogether.

[BolshieBastard]

Sorry, if its not written down there there isn't one. Do you start a contract without a bit of paper?



I wonder how many people bang on about the EU not being democratically elected but respect a vote passed by the House of Lords?

Utter rubbish! Why not try studying The British Constitution and Politics as I have?

And good attempt trying to link the constitution to a contract but no cigar Im afraid.

As for the EU, Im voting to come out.

[Zero Liability]

Gideon got spanked by the Lords, very nice.

All material changes in budgets should have 3-5 years transitional periods - same as he did for BTL crowd, but totally failed to do with new taxes and removal of tax credits.

If only their Lordships did the same for the divvie tax

Can't have the great unwashed getting too well off, now can we?

[minestrone]

In work tax credits need to go and fast.

The very fact that employed people are screaming about it like heroin addicted babies rather than hit on their employers to make up the shortfall shows how distorted Brown made the Labour market in this country, deliberately of course.

[Waldorf]

Clearly this is not democratic, I long came to the view that we should abolish the House of Lords and not replace it with another chamber. The revising task can be done by committees made up of MP's and co-opted experts to help and guide good legislation.

[darmstadt]

As for the EU, Im voting to come out.

Which means that they would have to repeal part of the unwritten UK constitution as part of it comprises of the European Communities Act of 1972, which is written down

[DodgyAgent]

There is no such thing. There are conventions, legal precedents and assorted other arrangements. Non-of these preclude the Lords from voting against something they believe is wrong, and there is a long history of this happening. Less so since the abolition of Life Peers, but it still happens. And it should. It this case it so happens that it is a finance bill. No-one is forcing the Lords to do anything, they will debate the bill and vote on it. That's democracy.

And how many members of the Lords exactly were voted in?

[DodgyAgent]

Sneaky little barstewards are the Tories, but then we knew that all along:

Ministers accused of trying to sneak through new fracking rules | Environment | The Guardian

Human rights group challenges Government's change to ministerial code - Telegraph

We need fracking.