Foxhunting

[darmstadt]

Like the lazy confused hypocrite of a leftie europhiile that you are you say he makes no points at all . Actually he does. It is just that you cannot make any counter points. How are they wrong?

FFS, I take it you didn't read the post I made, maybe I should make it clearer for you that I wasn't writing about the article you provided a link to an online website that used to be a magazine called Living Marxism yet quite a few of the journalists seem to primarily write for the right wing broadsheets so perhaps this article is just trolling lefties

Again Brendan O'Neill sums it up ?

He doesn't make any point at all as the article was written by Mick Hume, once again a rightie gets the facts wrong

R u fick or summink?

[JRCT]

The point Brendan O'Neill makes is that those that oppose foxhunting basically want to put an end to people's freedoms. As for the practical side of the argument I presume you do not think foxes are a problem for farmers etc.

Why is a person's freedom to torture an animal more important than that animal? It's not.

I'm completely against fox hunting. I live in the country surrounded by farms and farm land. I can understand that foxes are an issue, however, taking glory and pleasure in torturing a fox is utterly appalling.

It's not really about the fox. It's about the kind of people that want to get dressed up and be excited to turn up to an event where the sole purpose is to chase and catch a petrified animal and watch it being ripped to shreds by trained dogs. It's horrendous.

Foxes are/ can be a pest, there's no doubt. But, ultimately, they're only doing what nature intended them to do. They have to be treated with a bit of respect and culling them, whether you agree with that or not (a different arguement), can be done with respect.

[DodgyAgent]

FFS, I take it you didn't read the post I made, maybe I should make it clearer for you that I wasn't writing about the article you provided a link to an online website that used to be a magazine called Living Marxism yet quite a few of the journalists seem to primarily write for the right wing broadsheets so perhaps this article is just trolling lefties





R u fick or summink?

OK O'Neill is editor but that doesn't let you off the hook in answering the points does it?

[DodgyAgent]

. It's about the kind of people that want to get dressed up and be excited to turn up to an event where the sole purpose is to chase and catch a petrified animal and watch it being ripped to shreds by trained dogs. It's horrendous.

Foxes are/ can be a pest, there's no doubt. But, ultimately, they're only doing what nature intended them to do. They have to be treated with a bit of respect and culling them, whether you agree with that or not (a different arguement), can be done with respect.

So what do you suggest they do to get rid of foxes now that you have (reluctantly) accepted that they are a problem. Methinks your problem is with the posh people using it as a sport.

[Platypus]

The point Brendan O'Neill makes is that those that oppose foxhunting basically want to put an end to people's freedoms.

Same could have been said when murder was outlawed.

Tories shooting themselves in the foot on this issue.

Especially as Cameron has dismissed abolishing the 45% tax bracket, saying that the government has more important issues to deal with.

[unixman]

I dislike fox hunting and think it is cruel. Not in the kill (that happens in nature anyway) but in the hours that the fox spends hiding and being pursued to exhaustion (never happens in nature).

However I am not sure that I would ban the tradition, or treat it as a high priority in humane treatment of animals. Much more important is the awful industrialised killing and unimaginable cruelty that happens at farms and slaughterhouses. Perhaps 100 live animals have been ripped to bits by machinery while I typed this, so that we can continue to have leather belts, car seats, handbags, shoes and chicken for £2 a pop. Farming has become a hell on earth, but people just turn away, find it easier to confront a toff blowing a trumpet than the greed of their daily lives.

I gotta cut back on the coffee.

[DodgyAgent]

Same could have been said when murder was outlawed.

Tories shooting themselves in the foot on this issue.

Especially as Cameron has dismissed abolishing the 45% tax bracket, saying that the government has more important issues to deal with.

That is it. Banning Foxhunting has no material benefit to anyone. So it is not as if one liberty is being taken away in order to deliver another liberty.

[minestrone]

Bring back wolves, that would sort the problem out.

[vwdan]

That is it. Banning Foxhunting has no material benefit to anyone. So it is not as if one liberty is being taken away in order to deliver another liberty.

As an argument, this makes no sense whatsoever really. You surely agree that animal cruelty laws, in general, are a good thing? As in, I should be restricted in my 'rights' to randomly torture my cat?

[vwdan]

Actually, having reviewed what kind of 'journalism' Spiked promotes, I've decided to simply pull out of this discussion. The Onion has more integrity.