Have we done this yet?

[vetran]

Cameron needs to choose the issue more carefully, and not choose one where enough of his MPs are against it.

It needs to be something important such as education.

Though I suspect Sturgeon is more canny and will not vote on an issue like that.

It also doesn't help the longer he delays the vote the smaller his majority is likely to get.

agree it wasn't one I would choose as an example but I suppose its a clear case of tidying up legislation that appears to be right in Scotland.

[vetran]

What a dumbass. You do realise that the SNP can't vote down anything, don't you ? You may have missed the papers that day, but the Tories have a majority (hence the small business friendly budget). Voting anything down would require cross party support INCLUDING ENOUGH TORY MPs. If Cameron's own party is onside with what he wants to do, they can't lose.

There is no point Sturgeon fighting something that she has no chance of beating and therefore picked a controversial one to make her bunch of failed nationalists look like they have a stake in the game.

That's fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain, I can see why you missed it.

[MicrosoftBob]

Alternatively it's a very clever plan to sucker the SNP and lead to proper English only votes further down the line.

Could CMD really be that subtle?

Look at his style it's tactics over substance, and coming from a PR background reinforces that

So I think you're right

[minestrone]

To upset Cameron and show that he ain't got real majority in his party to Govern effectively.

Very nicely done.

HTH

This is exactly what the SNP are trying to get their zoomer supporters to think, give them the impression they have some power. The reality is that it was a free vote which neither you, test mangler or the assorted cretins who vote SNP seem to understand.

It allows the SNP some breathing space before their supporters start to work out that they have absolutely no power in the commons and will do absolutely nothing for the next 5 years.

[BrilloPad]

It allows the SNP some breathing space before their supporters start to work out that they have absolutely no power in the commons and will do absolutely nothing for the next 5 years.

Its like what happened to the liberal party 5 years ago. They just want power. Quite sad really.

[OwlHoot]

There is a 38 Degrees campaign against it and all MPs where lobbied in the campaign by their constituents.

It appears that signing a 38 Degree petition, as I have done a couple of times with their pesticide petition, means they immediately assume you are "one of their gang" and will heartily agree with every one of their campaigns.

Hardly a week goes by when I don't receive one of their hysterical emails ("only a day left to save such and such .."), and I would very much like to unsubscribe. But there doesn't seem any obvious way to do that. It's like joining the Mafia - Once in, you're in for life!

I was at a charity puppy show in Devon only last weekend at the kennel club for the local hunt, and the huntsmen and hunt followers were eagerly awaiting the outcome of this hunting debate. I told a couple of farmers that Cameron is a whiny cowardly pussy and would inevitably let them down, as of course transpired. They'll be as sick as parrots now, and very disilllusioned by the Tories

[MicrosoftBob]

This is exactly what the SNP are trying to get their zoomer supporters to think, give them the impression they have some power. The reality is that it was a free vote which neither you, test mangler or the assorted cretins who vote SNP seem to understand.

It allows the SNP some breathing space before their supporters start to work out that they have absolutely no power in the commons and will do absolutely nothing except trouser expenses for the next 5 years.

FTFY

[minestrone]

To be honest Cameron is at least trying to reverse the law, it was labour that set up this constitutional fook up despite all the warnings and the SNP that are exploiting it.

[AtW]

This is exactly what the SNP are trying to get their zoomer supporters to think, give them the impression they have some power. The reality is that it was a free vote which neither you, test mangler or the assorted cretins who vote SNP seem to understand.

I am the kind of assorted cretin who voted Tory.

[shaunbhoy]

I am the kind of assorted cretin who voted Tory.

And with that assertion you make minestrone's point for him in the strongest possible way.