Benefits of staying in the EU

[Roger Mellie]

Nothing to do with the UK and Ireland though.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point you tried to make. The Pole in question was heading for the UK, Southampton where his sister lived.

[TykeMerc]

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point you tried to make. The Pole in question was heading for the UK, Southampton where his sister lived.

Do you honestly think that the nationality of a rapist and murderer has any real bearing on the fact that he is a rapist and murderer?

People come to this country from inside and outside the EU, a percentage are criminal maniacs, I doubt that percentage is statistically affected by the point of origin.

[Roger Mellie]

Do you honestly think that the nationality of a rapist and murderer has any real bearing on the fact that he is a rapist and murderer?

People come to this country from inside and outside the EU, a percentage are criminal maniacs, I doubt that percentage is statistically affected by the point of origin.

Jesus, more Progressive mentality. Of course I don't think that, it's the fact that with border checks and immigration controls he, as a criminal, would not have been allowed to enter another country. Did you even bother to read the facts on this case? I guess not, so as a 'right winger' I'll spoon feed the facts to you:

Huminski has a long criminal record in France and Poland, including once attacking a frail woman of 78 with a knife in her home.

The career criminal was sentenced to a year behind bars in March, but under the rules in Poland, he was supposed to take himself to jail.

Instead, he hit the road for France and, under the EU's free movement rules, there was nothing to stop him driving across Europe.

Despite being banned from France for his earlier offences, Huminski was on his way to see his sister in Southampton last Wednesday when he 'stopped for a beer' in Calais.

There you go. Do you think the maniac would have been allowed into the US with such a record? Yet in the EU, the scum are allowed to move freely and do what they like. Why do we need such people here or even heading here? We have enough problems with our own rather than let such maniacs from the continent stroll into this country and/or other countries. I really don't understand why you Progressives have such a failure in logic on this subject? It's beggars belief, it really does. Your thought pattern is "let them in, let them kill someone and then put them up in prison on the British Taxpayer", shall we mention the Latvian over here who was a convicted murderer in Latvia eh?.

You people are freakin dangerous. And not to mention that my home town has been hit by a Romanian perpetrated crime wave of ATM theft. Seriously, why do we need such people here? Answer that question Progressives. What benefit do such people bring to the UK or France etc? Why are you so hell bent on importing backward cultures into the West??

[SueEllen]

Workers are protected – this is made possible through the European Working Time Directive; the directive includes regulations regarding holidays, working hours, breaks, etc. all the evidence points to uk workers losing jobs to foreign nationals , so its obviously not uk citizens that are being protected

I've not lost work to an EU immigrant.

I have lost work to non-EU immigrants.

There are also jobs that British people can't do including in the low paid hotel and hospitality industries due to missing one vital skill which is speaking one or more foreign languages so the company can trade with companies/people from abroad including the EU.

All the EU citizens I know are actually employed 80% of the time for their additional foreign language skills. They tend to be able to find work because of it - work that very few UK citizens would be able to or want to do.

Also I talked to a few people who have carers. They prefer their foreign carers as they are polite and more caring towards them than the British ones they have had regardless of age.

- Low prices of goods – there exists a ‘Single Market’ for all member countries wherein products are low-priced and there are no charges when it comes to custom tax; custom tax is usually charged when goods are transported or sold between states/countries but this is not applied among member countries -- you can set up separate trade agreements for all this, EU membership not needed

More complex and costly.

In terms of Iceland et al they have to comply with European standards but don't have any influence on them.

The UK actually has an influence on more European standards then you think or would know about.

I only found this out by being lucky enough to engage with people who have and do work in that arena. This is why people who vote for UKIP annoy me. Lots of the politics goes on behind the scenes and all the parties except for UKIP are involved in it and some from different sides of the political spectrum work together to get things through/prevent things with help from some senior civil servants.

- Removal of customs barriers mean 60 million customs clearance documents per year no longer need to be completed, cutting bureaucracy and reducing costs and delivery times --]we should be checking what goes in and out of the country

We do.

The Royal Mail randomly open parcels from abroad including the EU. They have more incentive to check non-EU ones as they can charge more money and they are more likely to contain illegal stuff.

Also if you were aware of how much is imported into the UK you would realise it's an impossible task to check every single shipping container, lorry, plane load and parcel regardless of where in the world it comes from.

- Free movement of labour also enables British people to live and work in Europe. Roughly 1.6 million British citizens live in the EU outside the UK (2010) - you dont need to be in the EU to do this look at all the indians in the EU

While you and I can, not all British citizens who go and work abroad now e.g. bar people, self-employed restaurateurs would be able to due to lacking formal qualifications and their age.

- Easier to use qualifications in different member countries. This makes it easier to work abroad without having to retrain in different national qualifications. -]all this does is makes it even easier for europeans to come and compete for the limited number of uk jobs, again putting additional pressure on the indigenous population

We don't have a limited number of jobs - if we did then you and I wouldn't be able to find new contracts from new companies, companies reorganising themselves or having new projects.

Also the fact we trade with a wide variety of countries and don't have the language skills means the easiest way to get people with the relevant skills is to encourage certain EU citizens to come here.

It's up to the UK government to make sure the benefits aren't a substitute for paying proper wages and limiting who can claim them. They have managed to do this with carers allowance in 2011 but seem to have a problem with doing this with other benefits.

- 1.5 million young people have completed part of their studies in another member state with the help of the Erasmus programme. -- americans and chinese come to europe to study, you dont need to be in the EU to do it

It's cheaper.

If we weren't in the EU it would cost 20K+ to be able to study abroad. I know people from families with below average income who have been able, and will go to, to study abroad due to this scheme.

- The EU have raised the quality of sea water and beeches, by implementing regulations on water standards 'Bathing Water Directive'. 92% of tourist locations now meet minimum water quality standards

I'm glad you are happy with that - the UK government like other governments need to be challenged on occasions not to harm their own residents.

The media do work to embarrass the government but it's easier for them to do so with some European laws to help.

- The EU has reduced the price of making mobile phone calls abroad. In 2007 EU legislation set maximum charges for making and receiving calls. The EU also agreed with 14 mobile phone manufacturers to create standard design for chargers from 2011 in order to make life easier for consumers and reduce wastage -- so how many billions a year do they take in tax and there biggest fckin achievement is a phone charger] :

It's not their biggest achievement it's but one example of holding multi-national companies to account. The UK government is happy to let multi-nationals to do what they like, but working with the EU means it makes it easier to stop them.

[Roger Mellie]

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[SueEllen]

Jesus, more Progressive mentality. Of course I don't think that, it's the fact that without border checks and immigrations controls he, as a criminal, would not have been allowed to enter another country. Did you even bother to read the facts on this case? I guess not, so as a 'right winger' I'll spoon feed the facts to you:



There you go. Do you think the maniac would have been allowed into the US with such a record? Yet in the EU, the scum are allowed to move freely and do what they like. Why do we need such people here or even heading here? We have enough problems with our own rather than let such maniacs from the continent stroll into this country and/or other countries. I really don't understand why you Progressives have such a failure in logic on this subject? It's beggars belief, it really does. Your thought pattern is "let them in, let them kill someone and then put them up in prison on the British Taxpayer", shall we mention the Latvian over here who was a convicted murderer in Latvia eh?.

You people are freakin dangerous. And not to mention that my home town has been hit by a Romanian perpetrated crime wave of ATM theft. Seriously, why do we need such people here? Answer that question Progressives. What benefit do such people bring to the UK or France etc? Why are you so hell bent on importing backward cultures into the West??

The UK and Ireland have separate border checks and controls.

If they fail don't blame the EU blame the UK, and if relevant, the Irish government.

I find it shows your ignorance if you blame an organisation of countries for successive UK governmental failure. This means Conservative, Labour, Coalition and now Conservative governments are to blame since 1992 for the mess.

Oh and these governments are also happy to let war criminals from non-EU countries try and manage to claim asylum in this country.

It's nothing to do with the Human Rights Act it's to do with having useless politicians, who haven't done proper jobs and all go to school/university together regardless of party, and useless senior civil servants.

[BlasterBates]

[Incredibly sensible thought through comments]....

Well said Sue, a lot of "garbage" on the forum today, "Sunday Posters"

Probably they've done a good job of torpedoing the EU exit arguments, by being juvenile.

[Roger Mellie]

The UK and Ireland have separate border checks and controls.

If they fail don't blame the EU blame the UK, and if relevant, the Irish government.

I find it shows your ignorance if you blame an organisation of countries for successive UK governmental failure. This means Conservative, Labour, Coalition and now Conservative governments are to blame since 1992 for the mess.

Oh and these governments are also happy to let war criminals from non-EU countries try and manage to claim asylum in this country.

It's nothing to do with the Human Rights Act it's to do with having useless politicians, who haven't done proper jobs and all go to school/university together regardless of party, and useless senior civil servants.

The UK are subject to the rules of EU Freedom of Movement, there are no border checks. Just a quick scan of the vehicle for drugs etc.

So basically you're stating that things like this are excusable because we let in war criminals?

I think you'll find it was New Labour who signed up to Freedom of Movement within the EU. Nice try with trying to pin it on Major, but you know full well his own Euro-sceptics wouldn't have allowed such a thing.

[Roger Mellie]

Well said Sue, a lot of "garbage" on the forum today, "Sunday Posters"

Probably they've done a good job of torpedoing the EU exit arguments, by being juvenile.

Quite right, and if the "garbage" don't agree with you then yell "will someone ban this idiot" and label them with Progressive Keyword #3: bigot.

Well done you.

[darmstadt]

The UK are subject to the rules of EU Freedom of Movement, there are no border checks. Just a quick scan of the vehicle of drugs etc.

No, they check every passport but then again reading through your trolling posts, you've probably never been abroad.

...Roger Mellie first appeared in Issue 6 in July 1981 and (like many others in Viz) is foul-mouthed, an obnoxious misogynist, racist and clueless TV presenter...