So who on CUK is voting Tory?

[DodgyAgent]

how about at least 34% of the voting public.

The Tories are the party of the rich certainly they are. they are also the party of the aspiring classes and the well educated. They want more people to fall into this category.
Labour are the party of the poor. They also represent the not so poor who aspire only to suppressing aspiration amongst those around them. It serves labour well to broaden their church and make more people poor. So yes the Torys are the party of the rich and yes labour are the party of the poor.

If you want evidence then just look at every area in the country that is under labour control It has always been poor under labour and will always remain poor under labour.

[DodgyAgent]

"I'll cut net migration to 100000 - no ifs, no buts" - David Cameron, 2010

Instead of which, net migration has grown by 100000. Tell me where this government wins on immigration?

They were idiots for saying that. The real blame lies with labour and its open door policies thanks to Blair agreeing the Lisbon treaty. Furthermore the utter incompetence of the border controls agency (in true public services style) let anyone in .

[VectraMan]

"I'll cut net migration to 100000 - no ifs, no buts" - David Cameron, 2010

That really annoyed me. I broadly support them, and in a way quite like Cameron (at least compared to the likes of Blair), but why on earth did they think saying such an unbelievably stupid thing as that was a good idea.

The best way to stop immigration is to ruin our economy so nobody wants to come here any more. So if you really want to stop immigration vote Labour. Or better yet, UKIP.

[VectraMan]

They were idiots for saying that. The real blame lies with labour and its open door policies thanks to Blair agreeing the Lisbon treaty. Furthermore the utter incompetence of the border controls agency (in true public services style) let anyone in .

Wasn't it John Major who signed us up to what is now the EU which included freedom of movement as a core principle?

[DodgyAgent]

Wasn't it John Major who signed us up to what is now the EU which included freedom of movement as a core principle?

You are right. It began with Maastricht and was sealed by the Lisbon treaty. However Major had not reckoned for eastern europe to be included whereas labour did and had every opportunity to block the Lisbon treaty. Instead they decided to underestimate the numbers of immigrants that would come here

[MicrosoftBob]

You are right. It began with Maastricht and was sealed by the Lisbon treaty. However Major had not reckoned for eastern europe to be included whereas labour did and had every opportunity to block the Lisbon treaty. Instead they decided to underestimate the numbers of immigrants that would come here

Plus they were racist and assumed any immigrants would vote Labour

[TheFaQQer]

It's 900000 less than Labour would have bought in.

And the factual basis for your statement is what exactly?

[TheFaQQer]

They were idiots for saying that. The real blame lies with labour and its open door policies thanks to Blair agreeing the Lisbon treaty. Furthermore the utter incompetence of the border controls agency (in true public services style) let anyone in .

Doesn't Border Force (there's no such thing as the border controls agency) report to Theresa May?

Net migration increased more under the Tories than anyone considered possible, and yet you really think that they are strong on immigration?

[VectraMan]

You are right. It began with Maastricht and was sealed by the Lisbon treaty. However Major had not reckoned for eastern europe to be included whereas labour did and had every opportunity to block the Lisbon treaty. Instead they decided to underestimate the numbers of immigrants that would come here

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the EU allowed restrictions on the number of immigrants from the East European countries for 6 years but Labour decided not to implement them (along with Ireland and Sweden IIRC). With much more limited options that of course meant more came to the UK. Kippers like to say that the EU forced the wave of East European immigrants on us, but actually it was a decision made by our own democratically elected government and most of the EU didn't allow unrestricted immigration from those countries.

[DodgyAgent]

Doesn't Border Force (there's no such thing as the border controls agency) report to Theresa May?

Net migration increased more under the Tories than anyone considered possible, and yet you really think that they are strong on immigration?

I dont think the Tories are strong on immigration. The border force agency (or whatever it is called) was part of the dysfunctional set of public services that Teresa may inherited