Originally posted by Bunk
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I think it is worse if apple said they would do it, said they did it, used it in their marketing and clearly never did a feckin thing. -
Who says they didn't lift a finger? I remember reading an article how the conditions in Foxxcon factories improved after Apple got involved. Of course they are now trying to introduce robots to replace the work force and avoid further PR nightmare, but i guess no one gives a tulip about the workers who will be left without work. Oh wait, queue the articles "Apple replaces humans with robots, 1000 lose their jobs"...Originally posted by minestrone View Post
Do you expect Apple to inspect every piece of ore all the way from the mines to the end product to ensure they are ethically sourced...
So the big corporation lied, boo f***ing hoo, must be the surprise/sensation of the century...Comment
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I suspect that the fuss would be a lot less if they and others didn't try to use the moral high ground of "ethical supply chain" in their marketing.Originally posted by sal View Post
It's the hypocrisy that people are actually bothered about, let's face it given the choice of a truly ethical supply chain and associated price or cheap goods; most people if forced to be honest; would buy the goods at the lower price.Comment
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More ethical products do sell. I buy free range eggs, as do many, so it's not simply about price. But to be honest I wouldn't if they were £100 a box, which is perhaps the point. I'd also be annoyed if what I thought I was buying turned out to be regular battery eggs.Originally posted by TykeMerc View PostWill work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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To take this analogy further, if you go to the supermarket and buy free-range eggs, and they're not free-range, who do you blame? The supermarket who bought fake free-range eggs from their supplier, or the supplier who sold battery eggs to the supermarket as free-range?Originally posted by VectraMan View Post
Maybe you blame the supermarket, and say they should do more to ensure that their free-range eggs actually are free-range. So the supermarket start doing inspections at the farms supplying them, and the farmer takes them around and shows the hens roaming free, but keeps them away from the shed with all the battery hens. At what point do you stop blaming the supermarket?Comment
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Most would probably say they blame the supermarket, who should ensure their products are what they say. But then it's probably a bit different if it's a small shop, without much buying power, vs. Tesco who the suppliers wouldn't dare cross for fear of being cut off at the slightest hint of inpropriety. An über corporation like Apple with more profits each year than most country's GDP have so much clout they should be able to push through anything they want, and if the BBC can find evidence of wrongness, they can find it too. People buy the Apple product for the Apple badge predominantly, so Apple can't really claim not to be responsible.Originally posted by Bunk View PostWill work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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True, you'd never find Tesco suppliers passing horse-meat off as beef or anything like that.Originally posted by VectraMan View PostComment
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At the end of the day, if there were better options then those workers wouldn't be there. So you can boycott apple products, and see those workers unemployed. Or protest for higher prices, and see only some of those workers unemployed, or carry on as normal and see those workers freely choose what is best for them under the circumstances.
Complaining about it while enjoying the 21st century western lifestyle that an advanced economy brings, with the support of less advanced economies' labour, stinks of hypocrisy to me. If you really cared you'd be living the life of a monk while donating your surplus to the several billion less fortunate across the world.
I don't care. I know that the best thing you can do for those workers in the long run is to keep consuming, and making those factories profitable.Comment
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