So...anybody ask for any of this?

[TheFaQQer]

Ever since HMRC floated the idea of a PSC to widen the IR35 net we have been saying there's no such thing legally. Now it seems we want to create it as a legal entity.

Ah, but this one will be optional.

That's the difference - you will be able to choose whether you want to work via this new company, or not. And if not, then you will always have the choice to go permie or umbrella instead

[Coalman]

I disagree.

My own opinion is that for many years the PCG was the only real voice that represented my interests as a one man band working through a Ltd. I'm on record on this site recommending that newbies join up even if it's purely for the insurance and first timer guides. I don't really post on the forums as it's (IMO) too much of a clique and it doesn't get the traffic and variety that we get here. So, I have 11K posts here and 11 there but I've been a paid up member since 2006.

Unfortunately, now I see the rebrand and the lack of consultation beforehand as a step away from what I thought the organisation was. TBH I'm not even sure if I'm a member of an organisation anymore. AFAIK IPSE is a ltd company that sells insurance and has a forum - I find this disappointing.

I can't be arsed to voice this on the IPSE forums as I'm not willing to receive the condescension from certain mods/CC members and with such a low post count it would look like trolling.

If I was convinced that the rebrand was purely to attract others who work through Ltds (locum doctors for example) above the IT crowd then I'd be onboard but it looks like they are trying to be a voice for anyone who's self employed... and in my view we face different issues since IR35, S660, opt in/out doesn't apply to them. I just don't subscribe to the view that representing a larger pool of different people makes your voice louder. I'd prefer the voice to be focused on what I want. Yes, currently the CC is made up of predominately 'my people' but with a differing membership with differing issues this focus will change.

I've had separate QDOS insurance for a number of years but I was still happy to keep my membership paid up as I believed they represented my interests, now I'm no longer convinced. Quite frankly I find the idea of introducing a 'new vehicle' for us to work through as ridiculous. Ever since HMRC floated the idea of a PSC to widen the IR35 net we have been saying there's no such thing legally. Now it seems we want to create it as a legal entity.

I also find the argument that I voted for the CC and therefore the BoD and so the rebrand and shift is what I wanted as, IMHO, bollox. If there was ANY difference between prospective CC members on the rebrand/direction shift issue I would have voted accordingly but AFAICR there wasn't.

Just my £0.02

Ditto here (but without the QDOS insurance - AbbeyTax through accountant).

[tractor]

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Ah, but this one will be optional.

That's the difference - you will be able to choose whether you want to work via this new company, or not. And if not, then you will always have the choice to go permie or umbrella instead

Yes, I understand the optional part. But it won't be. It will be another 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' deal and HMRC will railroad us all in then put us through the sheep dip.

[TheFaQQer]

Yes, I understand the optional part. But it won't be. It will be another 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' deal and HMRC will railroad us all in then put us through the sheep dip.

I absolutely agree - your choice will be this, umbrella or perm.

[RasputinDude]

From my perspective, none of the above are pleasant options - MyCo has an off-the-shelf system that is sold by third-party consultancies as well as selling my professional expertise. I can't see how the FLC would encompass that.

[malvolio]

From my perspective, none of the above are pleasant options - MyCo has an off-the-shelf system that is sold by third-party consultancies as well as selling my professional expertise. I can't see how the FLC would encompass that.

So stay with a Ltd Co. Why is that a problem?

[tarbera]

I've opened a thread on the ipse forums (in General) if specific questions you want and answer on I'm happy to raise at the next CC meeting in 2 weeks time.

[jamesbrown]

Just my £0.02

It's on the money.

[TykeMerc]

I absolutely agree - your choice will be this, umbrella or perm.

Indeed, if this FLC structure has been handed to the Government bods as something that contractors will love then not only have they handed them a fused grenade with the pin pulled to throw, they've actively worked to the direct detriment of those they pretend to represent.

Optional? Like hell.

So stay with a Ltd Co. Why is that a problem?

If you imagine that will be allowed to happen then maybe you need to get help for your crack pipe addiction as well as your arrogant twat habit.

[TykeMerc]

From my perspective, none of the above are pleasant options - MyCo has an off-the-shelf system that is sold by third-party consultancies as well as selling my professional expertise. I can't see how the FLC would encompass that.

I'd put money on you needing to use 2 structures, FLC for the Agency work (after they've changed the rules) and MyCo Ltd for all the rest.

Efficient or desirable? Nope.