He got a job as an AD Designer!!

[MyUserName]

Surely, their background is not the point.

If the guy can do the job but has no experience then what difference does his lack of experience make - he can do the job.
If the guy has lots of experience but cannot do the job then what difference does their experience make - he cannot do the job.

[SeekingIT]

Indeed - However!

So you think it's OK to have some contractor working on a project who only has experience of reading a book on the subject?

How would you feel if you'd paid for a builder to extend your house, and then learnt that he'd never done it before - only read about it?

You've a point, however when you commission a builder it should be up to you to ask what\how many houses chap has extended before, what mistakes did he make, what has he learned and how will he ensure those errors do not happen on my house.........(obviously similar questions to Contractor in Interview, regarding AD Design)

Will be interesting if the OP, lets us know if Chap is still happily engaged there.........

[rurffy]

You've a point, however when you commission a builder it should be up to you to ask what\how many houses chap has extended before, what mistakes did he make, what has he learned and how will he ensure those errors do not happen on my house.........(obviously similar questions to Contractor in Interview, regarding AD Design)

Will be interesting if the OP, lets us know if Chap is still happily engaged there.........

Like i said, he said no much work there as of now. Personally speaking... AD is not something difficult - i even think desktop support is more difficult than 3rd line support . If you know the BOOk work for AD you will pass, but book work will not help for Desktop support lol. (Example ; The annoying Win7 Printer offline issue lol).

[stek]

He got a job as an AD Designer!!

Like i said, he said no much work there as of now. Personally speaking... AD is not something difficult - i even think desktop support is more difficult than 3rd line support . If you know the BOOk work for AD you will pass, but book work will not help for Desktop support lol. (Example ; The annoying Win7 Printer offline issue lol).

Win 7 printer issues more involved than AD schema design?

I'll have a pint of what you've been drinking...

[rurffy]

Win 7 printer issues more involved than AD schema design?

I'll have a pint of what you've been drinking...

Depends on what you call difficult though .

P.S
I drink whisky - 65% Acl You might wanna try

[northernladuk]

Thing is it isn't just about the tech knowledge from the book, it's about application in a large environment, the controls that go with the, the process, the best practice and all the other process based stuff around the clients use of the technology.

You pass a test to say you can build a server and turn up on site when the server is halfway around with world with 5 different groups responsible for it, a server wrapper around it, build docs, change control and so on... Not a chance.

[Wanderer]

So you think it's OK to have some contractor working on a project who only has experience of reading a book on the subject?

Are people saying they never blag their way into a job? Woops. I do and have done for donkeys years.

Just because I don't know anything about the thing I'm going to be working on doesn't mean I can't figure it out and get the job done. Everything I know has been learnt on the job and quite often that involves jumping in the deep end with a can do attitude and a willingness to put in the hard graft to learn the technology.

Don't get me wrong, I won't lie if they say "have you done X, Y and Z" but but if they say "can you do X, Y and Z" and it's something I want to do then the answer is hell yes, can do!

How would you feel if you'd paid for a builder to extend your house, and then learnt that he'd never done it before - only read about it?

I had a big building project done. The builders taught me everything I know about blagging it.

[SueEllen]

How would you feel if you'd paid for a builder to extend your house, and then learnt that he'd never done it before - only read about it?

You don't know how builders work in England.

As long as they have a mate who knows what to do and have access to youtube they are ok if they haven't done it before.

Also a builder will only be truly skilled in one trade and project management, or just project management. A good one if he realises it's completely out of his skills will use subcontractors. The bad ones will just do it and not give a f**k.

[ctdctd]

Hm, the OP said his mate blagged a job as an AD designer for a small clientco.

If all he needs to do is design and implement a single design and associated group policies, then yes, it probably is something he can Google assuming he's technically able to pick up the skills.

Most stuff can be tested on a VM on a single powerful desktop without breaking anything!

Multi site or multi domain, start looking for the next gig now!

Good luck

[JoJoGabor]

I did almost e same to get my first contract. Not a design role but they wanted somebody to have experience of Ad, it was back in 2001 or so. I said I had, I hadn't but couldn't get a job without it. I knew I could do the job and got grilled on it at interview and passed.

The problem nowadays is most interviewers don't check a level of competence. The last four interviews I have had, not one technical question was asked to prove my experience. If I interview somebody who claims to be an expert in a technology I will make sure they can prove it in interview. It amazes me how many people come from great looking roles at huge organisations but can't answer the simplest questions on their specialist technologies.