hourly rate beware?

[Ninja1980]

Please provide the sources for this 'fact'?
Also, please provide the other sources I have repeatedly asked for.

Actually ... do not bother, if you had the sources then you already would have shared them.

I have patiently and politely said everything I need to say to show that you are incorrect, if you want to keep posting to have the last word then feel free.

How exactly do you expect me to provide proof? This is not the kind of data I can just provide a link to? It's from personal experience and an understanding of how the system works.

How could my personal experience possibly be incorrect.

[Ninja1980]

If my client was that blinkered and beligerant I wouldn't be with them for long TBH.

If my contractors didn't have a basic grasp of simple business concepts, they wouldn't be with me very long either.

[MyUserName]

How exactly do you expect me to provide proof? This is not the kind of data I can just provide a link to? It's from personal experience and an understanding of how the system works.

How could my personal experience possibly be incorrect.

By being from a limited sample set and combined with a lack of understanding of the big picture?

How many companies have you dealt with that have declared they will not use agencies as they are unnecessary overheads? How many companies have you dealt with overall?

I will try again, even though I said I would not - some companies allow some contractors to go direct - this does not lead to all agencies being unnecessary overhead to both contractors and clients.

The fact that most contractors use agencies to find work proves this, even though it is obvious anway.

If my contractors didn't have a basic grasp of simple business concepts, they wouldn't be with me very long either.

Do not worry about NLUK - he is clearly a rookie with no understanding of the contractor market.

[Ninja1980]

By being from a limited sample set and combined with a lack of understanding of the big picture?

How many companies have you dealt with that have declared they will not use agencies as they are unnecessary overheads? How many companies have you dealt with overall?

I will try again, even though I said I would not - some companies allow some contractors to go direct - this does not lead to all agencies being unnecessary overhead to both contractors and clients.

The fact that most contractors use agencies to find work proves this, even though it is obvious anway.



Do not worry about NLUK - he is clearly a rookie with no understanding of the contractor market.

Apart from NLUK having no understanding, I disagree with you. However, I'm at a point where I consider there to be no benefit in adding anything else, as neither of us will accept the others point of view.

[MyUserName]

Apart from NLUK having no understanding, I disagree with you. However, I'm at a point where I consider there to be no benefit in adding anything else, as neither of us will accept the others point of view.

If you could provide the sources that I repeatedly asked for to help prove your point then it would help?

[Ninja1980]

If you could provide the sources that I repeatedly asked for to help prove your point then it would help?

I'm not giving a list of companies in a public forum to a complete stranger.

[northernladuk]

If my contractors didn't have a basic grasp of simple business concepts, they wouldn't be with me very long either.

Can't help but comment to this. Bearing in mind possibly every single client that has any IT infrastructure to speak of, has some outsource agreement for it rather than keep it in house shows that the concept of giving someone else the stuff they are not expert is a common and useful business strategy. If it is good for IT, the coffee machine, the cleaners etc why isn't it good for agents? Model seems pretty sound to me.

Instead of using full time staff to put adverts up, speak to all the contractors, interview them, get the legalities sorted and pay each and everyone they chose one supplier to do it all for them. They ask for a body, one turns up. How is that an unnecessary overhead?

I presume you believe estate agents are also unnecessary overhead when buying a house?

[MyUserName]

I'm not giving a list of companies in a public forum to a complete stranger.

Good lord yes, giving a list of company names could be catastrophic!
Perhaps you could just say how many (which is what I actually asked for anyway)?

[Ninja1980]

Good lord yes, giving a list of company names could be catastrophic!
Perhaps you could just say how many (which is what I actually asked for anyway)?

Without giving company names, how would you know I was telling the truth. But, as you asked, out of the 9 companies in my commuting distance, I could do direct to 7.

[MyUserName]

Without giving company names, how would you know I was telling the truth. But, as you asked, out of the 9 companies in my commuting distance, I could do direct to 7.

Ah - a thoroughly impressive sample size. However we can work with it.

Presumably 2 out of 9 only go through agencies and hence disagree with you utterly that they are unneccesary overheads.

Of the other 7 how many agree with you that recruitment agencies are unneccesary overheads and refuse to deal with them at all?