Permie role if anyone's interested?

[chicane]

25K!!! Are you out of your mind - As a grad from university I was on 38K perm

35k or 38k? Make up your mind.

Seriously though, 25-35k is the market rate in the north for a MS web developer with 3-5 years experience. Perhaps you're not too clued up on anywhere outside the M25, but that kind of money goes a surprisingly long way in the northern cities.

[chicane]

This makes me wonder how reliable jobstats is. That suggests a far higher salary for ASP.NET in Leeds.

Yes, an average salary of £133,285 for ASP.NET in Manchester apparently

[joey122]

35k or 38k? Make up your mind.

Seriously though, 25-35k is the market rate in the north for a MS web developer with 3-5 years experience. Perhaps you're not too clued up on anywhere outside the M25, but that kind of money goes a surprisingly long way in the northern cities.

How is 25K going to get you a long way??

If you are living with mum and dad??

A bus driver earns 30K and a tube driver just under 40K.

After tax you re left with 18K - Thats £1500 a month to live drive eat and have a holiday.

Just not possible

[rootsnall]

How is 25K going to get you a long way??

If you are living with mum and dad??

A bus driver earns 30K and a tube driver just under 40K.

After tax you re left with 18K - Thats £1500 a month to live drive eat and have a holiday.

Just not possible

The one upside is that at that level of salary we won't be attracting many Indians or anybody from overseas. So I'm guessing that is as low as it can go !? Mission accomplished for the business lobby who wanted to open up immigration and drive wages down, thank you Nuliebour.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

These are indeed the salaries up north, ridiculous I know.

I started off as a database developer graduate on 20k for 18 months then moved onto a 28k application/db developer.

Now I am forced to try to become a contractor, only problem is no contracts around. So having to gradually go deeper into the red every month - this is the reality many of us are faced with in the permie world.

Got offered 2 contracts and they were not much of an improvement on my current situation due to low rate and cost of living away during week/commuting stupid distances. Hence turned them down and waiting for market to recover.

Looks like it's gonna be another year at best before things pick up... its a crap life.

[DieScum]

I started off as a database developer graduate on 20k for 18 months then moved onto a 28k application/db developer

That's not unreasonable for a junior learning their trade. 25-30k for someone with a good skillset and experience seems low though. Surely they'd get a better offer and leave quickly.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

That's not unreasonable for a junior learning their trade. 25-30k for someone with a good skillset and experience seems low though. Surely they'd get a better offer and leave quickly.

Well thats exactly where I am at: 5 years experience and all the jobs being offered are at best an extra 1 or 2k ontop of what I am on now (and nearly always a lot futher away). Hardly worth moving for?

Only way to get out of this hell hole is to go contracting..... Some day.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Here are plenty of examples, bear in mind there are very few jobs even being posted:

26-30k (one of the better ones on offer)
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...2cju%2cjv%2cog

25k (id have to take a pay cut to get into this job)
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...2cju%2cjv%2cog

18-22k (would make me and most in here bankrupt)
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...2cju%2cjv%2cog

18-25k (somebody just kill me now)
http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/JobSearch/Jo...2cju%2cjv%2cog

London is hardly better considering the expenses. I have seen plenty of 30 and 35k jobs advertised on the job boards.

permie jobs suck, end of.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

The poster of this thread who first posted the job can take the job and shove it - i'd rather go on the dole.

[Olly]

The poster of this thread who first posted the job can take the job and shove it - i'd rather go on the dole.

sorry...missed the bit where you were offered it.

sympathise though. got 30K 5 yrs ago for fairly tame data analyst role in London.
same sort of thing now seems to be paying less and I've got 5 yrs more experience.

To the poster who got 38K out of uni....doing what? Surely you're not so arrogant as to believe that's even close to the norm?