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Restrictive covenants (again, sorry!)

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    #11
    Well, this very cheap non-lawyer thinks that it's obvious that they're not keeping to the terms of the contract. Best bet it is to invoice and then chase payment, if/when they don't pay, not forgetting the admin charges and interest as stipulated by law. www.payontime.co.uk
    Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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      #12
      Alternatively, start with a Statutory Demand, and if that fails, use this to really scare the buggers.
      Last edited by NotAllThere; 17 November 2009, 16:21.
      Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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        #13
        1. Upon completion of the Assignment or as may be agreed and specified in the Schedule attached or at the end of each month of the Assignment the Supplier shall deliver to the Company its invoice for the amount due from the Company to the Supplier giving a detailed breakdown showing the work performed and the time spent by the Supplier. The Company shall pay the Supplier each month for all hours worked regardless of whether the Company has received payment from the Client for those hours. The invoice must be received by the Company by no later than the 7th calendar day of the month following the month to which it relates. The Supplier s invoice should bear the Supplier's name, company registration number, VAT number and should state any VAT due on the invoice.
        Bold bit is second most relevant bit
        Bold and underlined pretty much nails it

        So unless the "attached schedule" outlines the payment schedule you mention in your original post you invoice by 7th calendar day of the following month, attaching the signed timesheet by your line manager (this is a client requirement, not an agency one). Not invoicing them for 2 months would actually put you in breach of contract

        Tricky bit is don't see how long they have to pay you once they receive the invoice, gov regs probably come into effect but always better to have that in the actual contract.

        Live and learn, next time have the contract specifically state how long they have to pay

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          #14
          Originally posted by Not So Wise View Post
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          Live and learn, next time have the contract specifically state how long they have to pay
          Still may have some leverage over this. The legislation specifically allows judges to declare payment terms null and void if they are significantly different from the "usual" in the industry. So, if as a result of the agent's intransigence, it's effectively 60 days credit, then that might be sufficient.
          Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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            #15
            Originally posted by ogreboy View Post
            2. The Supplier shall obtain the signature or other confirmation of an authorised representative of the Client as verification of execution of the Assignment or such confirmation as the Client may require from time to time. The Company shall obtain a purchase order or other confirmation from the Client as verification of authorisation of the Assignment.
            The key is whether the person that is local and signs your timesheets is "an authorised representative of the Client". If they are not, then you have a problem. If they are, then that's all you need.

            Of course, if you hadn't opted out, all this would be a moot point.
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              #16
              "The key is whether the person that is local and signs your timesheets is "an authorised representative of the Client"."

              And therein is one of the problems - the agency have sent me warning letters via their lawyer not to deal with the client other than to perform the services under the agreement or discuss with the client the terms and conditions of the supplier agreement or schedule.

              The client uses an electronic timesheet-keeping system. The line manager e-mails the contractor support team - a member of whom is authorised to approve the electronic timesheet. When this has been done - both the agency and the contractor receive an e-mail confirming the time is approved.

              The line manager is happy to also sign a printed timesheet - the agency has said they will not accept this timesheet.

              You know - I thought the contract was pretty clear-cut. Invoicing at the end of the month or within the first seven calendar days for all hours worked the previous month - and times approved in the electronic system. And this has all been acceptable for the last 3 years.

              The agency have argued that the contract doesn't specify calendar monthly and that the new approval regime actually just represents a formal invoice-schedule which although not being calendar monthly IS monthly because the invoice dates are once a month.

              My current issue is that I cannot invoice on the dates I have been given because they fall outside the 7 days next month stipulation and that the invoicing dates given don't allow me to invoice for the previous month's work.

              For example...

              The approval/invoice date of 19/11/09 is for the period 02/11/09-15/11/09 and the approval/invoice date of 02/01/10 is for the period 14/12/09-25/12/09.

              And no, the schedule does not have ANY invoicing details or periods in it.

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                #17
                Oh, and the contract DOES specify the payment terms...

                1. Subject to the receipt of a valid Supplier invoice correctly submitted in
                accordance with clause 6 above ( Invoice ), the Supplier will receive payment
                from the Company for the Assignment in accordance with the fee specified in
                the schedule attached plus VAT where appropriate. Payment will be made by
                the Company within 30 days of the Invoice being received.

                2. In the event that the Invoice is received by the Company on or before the 7th calendar day of the month following the month in which the services are
                performed then the Company may at the Company s sole discretion pay the
                Invoice within 1 to 14 days of receipt of such Invoice.

                3. Any invoices received by the Company after the 7th calendar day of the month following the month in which the Services are performed shall be paid no earlier than 30 days from receipt.

                I don't like (3) at all! Since I cannot invoice by the 7th calendar day...

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ogreboy View Post
                  "...
                  And therein is one of the problems - the agency have sent me warning letters via their lawyer not to deal with the client other than to perform the services under the agreement or discuss with the client the terms and conditions of the supplier agreement or schedule....
                  What you have received is a letter, purporting to be from a lawyer, but it might not be, from the agency, containing a warning that may well have absolutely no legal basis at all.

                  Agencies are masters at spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. You need to get aggressive with them. If the outstanding debt is less than £5000, take them through the small claims court.

                  In your situation I would seek to get out of this contract ASAP, as I would suspect the agency hasn't the money to pay you. Have you checked their credit rating?
                  Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                    #19
                    UK Data risk assessment shows 61 - low risk potential.

                    I have seen a solicitor for a two hour consultation - but he said that to prove that the agency is in breach would be a lengthy and expensive litigation. I guess the agency can claim whatever meaning they like for the "authorised representative of the Client" - since I am unable to confirm WHAT the client's requirements are.

                    I just feel that even more than ever, the agency are taking their comission for sweet FA - no payroll, no risk, no service - the position I occupy was never advertised - I found it, arranged the interview.... all the agency had to do was send the paperwork to the client and myself.

                    And with the restrictive covenant, I am forced to grab my ankles or take a lower-rate job elsewhere.

                    Being forced to use this "shower" as my agency is something which would always have to be forced on me.

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                      #20
                      Oh - and I have checked the credentials of their lawyer.... he is employed in-house and IS qualified. Mind you - I have issues with his interpretations of his own terms.

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