How's the testing market?

[pzz76077]

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Well all I a can say is that from my recent experience, an unprecedented amount of testing IS being done offshore these days, so there will never be an expanding market for testers in the UK ever again.


PZZ

[HeadOfTesting]

Based on anecdotal evidence it certainly seems true that the amount of offshore testing is increasing in absolute terms.

Is the majority of it offshore as per your original assertion? We don't know - I'm guessing 'no' based on a vast and diverse array of contacts in the discipline but I could be wrong.

Does it necessarily follow that there will never again be an increase in the scale of the onshore testing segment as per your latter assertion? No because we don't know the figures relating to the relative and absolute size changes of the onshore and offshore segments. It could easily be the case that the onshore segment grows in absolute terms even whilst becoming smaller in relative terms. Infact that's what I would predict, courtesy of the fact that there are still a large number of outfits who are only now starting to take testing seriously for the first time (often provoked by a move towards agile). And typically (although not always) a firm's first foray into structured testing is an onshore endeavour.

Summary: Nobody knows for sure and we need to be careful about asserting things from anecdotal evidence.

[pzz76077]

Based on anecdotal evidence it certainly seems true that the amount of offshore testing is increasing in absolute terms.

Is the majority of it offshore as per your original assertion? We don't know - I'm guessing 'no' based on a vast and diverse array of contacts in the discipline but I could be wrong.

Does it necessarily follow that there will never again be an increase in the scale of the onshore testing segment as per your latter assertion? No because we don't know the figures relating to the relative and absolute size changes of the onshore and offshore segments. It could easily be the case that both onshore and offshore testing grow together. Infact that's what I would predict, courtesy of the fact that there are still a large number of outfits who are only now starting to take testing seriously for the first time (often provoked by a move towards agile).

Summary: Nobody knows for sure and we need to be careful about asserting things from anecdotal evidence.

I have a few quid on this but there would be no point as all of you testers will be out of work for ever more, so no point...


BTW: If you testers are so great, how come there are so many bugs in programs?? As I said, its cheaper to write new code based on lessons learnt rather than do loads of testing these days...

PZZ

[HeadOfTesting]

As I've said on other threads the demand for testers is highly cyclical and highly bi-modal.

Selfishly I hope you're right about me having access to a permanent supply of benched testers because I've spent years trying to fill tester positions and would like to avoid such supply problems in the future.

I didn't say testers were great and at the risk of stating the obvious, testers don't add bugs or remove them; they simply generate data that allows someone to take a business-decision about whether to do the deployment.

I'm all for learning and applying lessons but in many domains inadequate testing can leave your business seriously harmed before you get the chance to have a second bite of the cherry so the argument really is as stupid as it sounds.

[SillyMilly]

BTW: If you testers are so great, how come there are so many bugs in programs?? As I said, its cheaper to write new code based on lessons learnt rather than do loads of testing these days...

Give me strength .................

Coders write a load of bug-ridden code, testers don't find all the bugs, so coders write a new load of bug-ridden code .................

Well that's one way of getting the contract market moving again!!

[pzz76077]

Give me strength .................

Coders write a load of bug-ridden code, testers don't find all the bugs, so coders write a new load of bug-ridden code .................

Well that's one way of getting the contract market moving again!!

Hopefully for you this will be true as you don't have a contract and none in the pipeline.....

Seems to me most you the posters on this thread don't know much about the testing market anyway.

PZZ

[SillyMilly]

Seems to me most you the posters on this thread don't know much about the testing market anyway.

Enlighten us. What don't we know about the testing market?


We know it's dead in the water, that's for sure - probably all we need to know at the moment.

[pzz76077]

Enlighten us. What don't we know about the testing market?


We know it's dead in the water, that's for sure - probably all we need to know at the moment.

Then how come you are asking 'How's the testing market?' if you already know the answer to your own question??

PZZ

[HeadOfTesting]

Hopefully for you this will be true as you don't have a contract and none in the pipeline.....

Seems to me most you the posters on this thread don't know much about the testing market anyway.

PZZ

I'm all for developers writing bug-ridden code. If I had my way I would operate a loyalty card scheme where the developers dropping the most buggy code in to test would earn reward points that can be converted in to cash.

I've forgotten more about the testing market than you've ever known so I think that's enough troll feeding for the time being.

[SillyMilly]

that's enough troll feeding for the time being

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WHS.

Game over.