No budget available, sorry!

[boredsenseless]

Strange I thought 'real businesses' operated a concept of sales cost and pre-sales activities.

If the option of a 3 month service contract is on the table surely its worth a day of your time to appear willing.

Just wait until you start setting up direct contracts. You will be shocked at the amount of 'free' stuff you have to do to secure the gig. Try suggesting getting paid before a contract or PO is signed and you'll be laughed out of the building

[hyperD]

Strange I thought 'real businesses' operated a concept of sales cost and pre-sales activities.

If the option of a 3 month service contract is on the table surely its worth a day of your time to appear willing.

Just wait until you start setting up direct contracts. You will be shocked at the amount of 'free' stuff you have to do to secure the gig. Try suggesting getting paid before a contract or PO is signed and you'll be laughed out of the building

I'll second that. Meetings clients, doing presentations, writing prototypes - all to get a contract - the client never pays for that while you are doing it. If you win, you can factor that in. If you lose, then onto the next client.

I can just imagine invoicing a client for a meeting held at his office!! LOL!

I have only once been offered some money to design a prototype in order to win the gig, and that was from a public sector organisation.

[Mailman]

Barclays Capital by any chance? They seem to be busy at the moment....

It was indeed...just wish they would hurry up and throw some of that "business" my way!

Mailman

[Denny]

Strange I thought 'real businesses' operated a concept of sales cost and pre-sales activities.

If the option of a 3 month service contract is on the table surely its worth a day of your time to appear willing.

Just wait until you start setting up direct contracts. You will be shocked at the amount of 'free' stuff you have to do to secure the gig. Try suggesting getting paid before a contract or PO is signed and you'll be laughed out of the building

Are you so bored you can't think straight?

What is on the table? The option of a 3 month service conrtract?

Sorry, I got the impression we were being 'sold' by the supplier - the agent. You comment should be directed at the agent, not the contractor.

Just wait until you start setting up direct contracts!!!

Well, with agencies involved, I'm not am I. I also have private clients and my negotiations with them are vastly different from what I would be 'allowed' to do through an agency. It is the agent that pays us not the client company and I've already signed my contract with the agency and normally carried out the service before I get paid for that portion of the work - whether on a weekly or monthly basis.

Stop pouring Brandy on your cornflakes.

[ratewhore]

Denny, you need to calm down a bit. Go and watch some daytime TV...

...whats on right now?

[Denny]

Denny, you need to calm down a bit. Go and watch some daytime TV...

...whats on right now?

Trisha probably.