Agency propaganda on CUK Home page?!

[BrilloPad]

You talk aboout "balance of opinion" as if no one seems to get an opportunity to put views like yours accross on this board. The point that is being made is being made by an agency, it is not the view of the editors of this board. The "counter view" of the contractor dominates this site far more than the "agency" or the "client" view.

Your cliche ridden "sad reality" view is a perfect example of the factless inbalanced drivel that is so often spouted by people like you. I would like to ask you one question; where exactly does a fair margin become a "rip off" margin?

Whilst you are right in what you have said - did you have to put it in quite that way. Could you try adding a bit of tact?

Imagine what sort of world it would be like if we all went round posting what we are thinking.

[abc]

You talk aboout "balance of opinion" as if no one seems to get an opportunity to put views like yours accross on this board. The point that is being made is being made by an agency, it is not the view of the editors of this board. The "counter view" of the contractor dominates this site far more than the "agency" or the "client" view.

Your cliche ridden "sad reality" view is a perfect example of the factless inbalanced drivel that is so often spouted by people like you. I would like to ask you one question; where exactly does a fair margin become a "rip off" margin?

I suggest you learn to read.

If you read what I wrote originally, I was talking about what I saw on the CUK home page, not about what was present in the forum discussions.

In terms of the forum discussion, I made the point myself quite clearly that fair discussion takes place in the board, that is what I was in favour of, and that this sort of balance is what is missing from the article I saw, hence I asked why was it present on the CUK home page.

As an agent, I would naturally expect you to be upset at any attempt to explain reality. Perhaps you are the one who was quoted?

I've simply expressed my opinion in response to what I saw and the aspect of it that I didn't like. That's what democracy and free speech is all about, so if you don't approve of this - well tough titty.

[abc]

Whilst you are right in what you have said - did you have to put it in quite that way. Could you try adding a bit of tact?

Imagine what sort of world it would be like if we all went round posting what we are thinking.

It would be pretty x-rated in my case

[DodgyAgent]

I suggest you learn to read.

If you read what I wrote originally, I was talking about what I saw on the CUK home page, not about what was present in the forum discussions.

In terms of the forum discussion, I made the point myself quite clearly that fair discussion takes place in the board, that is what I was in favour of, and that this sort of balance is what is missing from the article I saw, hence I asked why was it present on the CUK home page.

As an agent, I would naturally expect you to be upset at any attempt to explain reality. Perhaps you are the one who was quoted?

I've simply expressed my opinion in response to what I saw and the aspect of it that I didn't like. That's what democracy and free speech is all about, so if you don't approve of this - well tough titty.

I think you will find that the CUK home page has had more than its fair share of "contractor viewpoints" in the past. It is good to see that it is so prepared to put alternative viewpoints. As for my own view I happen to disagree with the assertion that it is "none of the contractors business" what the margin is.

I have no problem in you "stressing your view", but if your view is made up of silly little cliches (which much -not all- of it was) then dont be surprised if you are treated like a "silly little cliche".

By the way, exactly where does a fair margin become a rip off?

[abc]

As for my own view I happen to disagree with the assertion that it is "none of the contractors business" what the margin is.

..and is this assertion, that the rate is "none of the contractors business", that I was objecting to. Not only because it is wrong in my opinion, but the condesending tone of it as well.

While I'm on the subject of being condesending, you seem to have a bit of a thing about the word "cliche"...one of your favourite words perhaps?
I'll do a search on the board later and find out (if I have time and can be bothered). Ironically, you are in danger of overusing this word I think.

Well thanks for the advice, but I will express myself in any way, using any form of words, that I want to. I don't need or seek your approval for the form of words I use. If your version of intellectual snobbery rules out the use of "common" expressions like these then I feel sorry for you, because you must bore lots of people, not just me.

By the way, exactly where does a fair margin become a rip off?

When my agent can afford to buy a better car than I can!

[BrilloPad]

That's what democracy and free speech is all about, so if you don't approve of this - well tough titty.

So what has that got to do with this site?

This site is a dictatorship - like SP said none of us have paid (is there a way of making donations?) so it is up to the admin/mods. If they decide that black is white and white is black - then who are we to argue?

[BrilloPad]

When my agent can afford to buy a better car than I can!

I think most agents have a better car than I have - but then I am divorced...

[abc]

So what has that got to do with this site? ?

The smiley u use says "confused". Maybe I'm not expressing it properly or something. Basically, the name of the site "Contractor UK" would be taken by any reasonable person in the street to be a site for the benefit of Contractors, not agents. If it was meant for agents it would be called something like, say, "Agents UK".

Anyway, moving on from the name, we all know that historically it's a place that is meant to attract contractors right?

Well, having attacted contractors to the site, if one of the first things they see in the "Recent Updates" section is a piece where an agent is saying that agency margins are "none of the contractors business" then is is potentially giving all newbie contractors that happen upon the side a false and one-sided view of things.

My (simple) point is that if they want to put this sort of item on the front page, it should be balanced out by the opposing view. This view being that that agency margins are the contractors business, or to put it another way it is one of his/her concerns (one of many concerns).

This site is a dictatorship - like SP said none of us have paid (is there a way of making donations?) so it is up to the admin/mods. If they decide that black is white and white is black - then who are we to argue?

Sorry but that's wrong. If it was a dictatorship they would have sent the blue-track suited men after me by now.
In the end we are (kind of) indirect customers. I mean that, potentially we will make use of the add-on services that are being offered, so we don't pay directly, but they get something from their sponsors. You don't pay for google either do you?

I'd like to write a bit more but I have to go outside while the sun is still shining. Cabin fever is closing in...cheers.

[blacjac]

You don't pay for google either do you?

And that is relevant why?

If Google decided to put something on their home page you didn't like, could you do anything about it other than stop using Google?

No, you couldn't.

[abc]

And that is relevant why?

If Google decided to put something on their home page you didn't like, could you do anything about it other than stop using Google?

No, you couldn't.

But if that happened and if google had a forum that I knew about, that I knew routinely discussed the very issue I was concerned about, then I'd go directly there and comment on it there.