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Would you turn up on site without a contract?

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    #11
    I never go on site without a signed copy of the contract.

    Once they realize that I'm not going to be there, they soon get the paperwork sorted.
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      #12
      I have. The way I see it is if you go there's a small chance it'll all fall apart and you'll have a fight to get paid. But if you don't go, you definitely won't get paid.
      Will work inside IR35. Or for food.

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        #13
        Happened a number of times to me and I've always gone on site. Best to check the client knows the situation first though.

        What's your other option? Stay at home and not earn anything.

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          #14
          I have done for extensions. I know others that wouldn't.

          If you decide not to then make sure that the client is fully aware of what is going on and why you won't be there.

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            #15
            Most clients have communicated their intent to me in good time, even though the contract takes time in the post. In those cases, I will continue on and send an email that I accept in principle on the existing terms. If I didn't get a clear feeling from the client though, I'd stay home.

            I've seen people released from contract because they didn't turn up though. Use common sense and you should be ok. If you get stiffed, consider that you might have been on the bench anyway.

            Also, fax machines are great for getting contracts rushed through.

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              #16
              For an extension to an existing contract that I was happy with; and where I trusted the client; yes.

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                #17
                Originally posted by configman View Post
                In that situation 2 months ago with Alex Mann so did not turn up for the extension. Good job I did not turn up as Alex Mann had modified the T&C's without telling me and by turning up I would have in effect signed something I did not want to. The new contract came a few days after the extension start. The new T&C's made it even more difficult to get paid so had the T&C's modified before turning up.
                If you have not seen the contract and it is an extension and you turn up to work on the Monday after your contract expired it will be assumed that the contracts T&C have not changed in the eyes of the law.

                The agency can write what they want but you can refuse to sign it and if it goes to court you will win.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by oxtailsoup View Post
                  What's your other option? Stay at home and not earn anything.
                  Yes - I use it as an excuse to finally have a day off. That way I don't feel guilty about not earning that day
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Ardesco View Post
                    If you have not seen the contract and it is an extension and you turn up to work on the Monday after your contract expired it will be assumed that the contracts T&C have not changed in the eyes of the law.

                    The agency can write what they want but you can refuse to sign it and if it goes to court you will win.
                    If it is an extension, see above.

                    If they come up with some random contract after you have gone back - hard luck on them.

                    I would recommend you send an email to the client, cc the agent saying:

                    "I understand you want me to continue; I will do so on existing T&Cs; I am having trouble getting a contract out of the agency; if this is not right tell me before I turn up" or something similar.

                    If this is a new contract, DO NOT TURN UP. You WILL be shafted rotten just as a naive numpty should be. Bu that doesn't apply to you 'cos you had the sense to seek advice.
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Ardesco View Post
                      If you have not seen the contract and it is an extension and you turn up to work on the Monday after your contract expired it will be assumed that the contracts T&C have not changed in the eyes of the law.

                      The agency can write what they want but you can refuse to sign it and if it goes to court you will win.
                      The onus would still be on me to prove that the amended contract did not arrive on time. A court hearing would take far longer to organise than the contract length and would have meant they would have got away with the payment T&C's they had amended had they kept to those terms. Had I turned up on the Monday they would have made no effort to amend the contract - only enforce those T&C's that meant they could delay all payments until the client paid. I would then have had to go to court when not paid.

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