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    #31
    It can only happen in recruitment!

    What a bad day ive had, my candidate started today by lunch time the client had lost her, I did wonder how you could lose a lady, their building is only 4 floors !!!! She went out for lunch and that was the last they saw of her, after plenty of phone calls she finally emailed me to tell me she had changed her mind apparently it wasnt what she expected, i suppose after 2 interviews on site it must be difficult ..... is it me? why did she start? grrrr just another down to experience i expect. lucky for me the client saw the funny side of it i suppose.

    she will probably asking for if i have anything else by monday.

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    Indeed. On the face of it, this looks like a typical case of bad candidate who is solely to blame for the problem of a client being let down by having a candidate on site.

    However, most EBs claim that their role is to vet and ensure the reliability and credibility of the candidates they put forward. Yet, this didn't happen well enough, it seems, and the candidate has gone AWOL. Also, the client doesn't appear to mind too much and want to continue sourcing through the same recruiter.

    Therefore, it appears that it's fine for the EB to screw up with impunity, but woe be tide any candidate that screws up because they can be terminated immediately and without notice, and more than likely will be, according to their terms, with no hope in hell of returning to the same client or work through the same EB. The fact that candidates are not responsible for supplying themselves to the client seems not to matter a jot.

    That's equivalent to telling a manufacturing distributor that the goods were faulty and they would like a replacement but it has nothing to do with the manufacturer or their employees not putting together an workable product or packaging it up and distributing it correctly. Apparently, the goods themselves took it upon itself not to work.

    But.....aren't we dealing with human beings not goods?

    Er...no. EBs supply human beings as their chief service provision, so we are goods in effect - they are not introducing candidates to clients whereby the relationship becomes a direct one once that introduction is made. Yet, when something like this happens the EB becomes the passive goods and we the service providers who screwed up. Who can blame a box for being mislabelled?

    Just another example of the cock eyed, risk free environment the EBs are working in, whilst the candidates takes all the risks. Yet, apparently, it's fine for EBs to work as sole traders, but not us, who must be incorporated and pay two lots of NI even if we don't intend to grow our businesses. Plus, of course, the EBs are not subject to IR35 issues either, of being a de facto employee.

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      #32
      So What is going on?

      why is it that the candidate walks off the job and you blame the agency first and foremost having previously slagged off any agency that dares ask for references? If you want a lesson in responsibility (or lack of) just look at the client's reaction. He/she is clearly not surprised by this sort of behaviour (by the contractor).

      It also sounds to me as if you are the agency here in which case what do you think you are playing at?

      and who is the risk free person here? clearly it is the contractor that can come and go with impunity.

      Short of blaming the Americans this is as distorted as logic gets.
      Last edited by DodgyAgent; 23 March 2007, 17:52.
      Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyone

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        #33
        Any contractor who walks off site without informing the client is totally unprofessional. No argument...

        Older and ...well, just older!!

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          #34
          still looking for a job.

          so far spoke to 4 agencies who said they will ring back , guess what no phonecalls.

          got an interview for a perm role tomorrow , strange how i can get an interview from applying directly to companies , but these glorified shop asistants cant even be arsed to call back , how i hate agencies.

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            #35
            Originally posted by unemployed
            still looking for a job.

            so far spoke to 4 agencies who said they will ring back , guess what no phonecalls.

            got an interview for a perm role tomorrow , strange how i can get an interview from applying directly to companies , but these glorified shop asistants cant even be arsed to call back , how i hate agencies.
            How can you expect to run a business when you take things so personally? What incentive do the agents have to call you back if you get no further in the recruitment process? People only show manners in business when they perceive some short or long term gain from doing so.

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              #36
              Chicane's right - if you have something they can sell, you are of interest. When it becomes apparent you are no longer of use/someone else is better or easier to make money off - you are out. They never call, especially contract agents unless you are in the game.
              It's business, not personal, don't be fooled by the over friendly approach in the beginning.

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                #37
                i am not fooled by these people i know what they are.
                my point is if i am not suitable for a position why not tell me now !
                not bulltulip people along saying when are you available for interview etc , when they have no intention of actually sending your cv to the client.

                sorry but i was brought up with manners business or no business,
                i talk the talk not bulltulip, if i dont like something i say it.

                sadly i rate agencies up there with estate agents ,liars and pen pushers.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by unemployed

                  sadly i rate agencies up there with estate agents ,liars and pen pushers.

                  absolutely - however in your position, you need them.

                  Suck it up big boy, it's dog eat dog out there
                  Every Saint has a past, Every Sinner a future"


                  Originally Posted by Pogle
                  I wasnt really into men at the time - IYKWIM

                  HTH

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by unemployed
                    i am not fooled by these people i know what they are.
                    my point is if i am not suitable for a position why not tell me now !
                    not bulltulip people along saying when are you available for interview etc , when they have no intention of actually sending your cv to the client.

                    sorry but i was brought up with manners business or no business,
                    i talk the talk not bulltulip, if i dont like something i say it.

                    sadly i rate agencies up there with estate agents ,liars and pen pushers.
                    I'm really not being funny mate, but if your CV is as poorly capitalised and punctuated as your posts, I'm not surprised you're struggling...
                    The squint, the cocked eye and clenched first are the cornerstones of all Merseyside communication from birth to grave

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                      #40
                      Unemployed I think you must have a bad CV if you don't even get calls back. What is your CV like?

                      I don't know the support sector but you must either be presenting yourself really badly or have totally the wrong skills to only get a 5% call rate. You can sell anything if you try hard enough
                      All that is necessary for evil members to succeed is that good members post nothing

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