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[errorista]

Clients loath them too.

[blatant_pimp]

Look this is my first post, and im jumping straight into the snake pit with this reply, but i have been looking at this site for some time and i dont believe that contractors(you) dont help out Agents who ask for references / managers names will only benefit you in future.

1.- we get a manager name from you
2. we speak with that manager and find a new contract job
3. we place a contractor into it
4. the contractor is so happy we have found him a new contract ( paying £10ph more than he has ever got ) that he gives us his old boss's name
5 - we call the manager who has a job and we give you a call, and HEY PRESTO - you have a new contract.

we dont ask for managers names for the fun of it. it's because we want to earn more money, and we do that by putting you in jobs - we all win!

[errorista]

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[reformation]

Clients loath them too.

Along with contractors! No one likes to manage someone that earns more while they take a dump than he does in a day.

[MmarcoM]

Hi,

'hello this is Chloe from xxrecruit, i have seen your CV for this position.. you seem a perfect fit for it. just before we get into that, who is your manager? i just want to have a picture of the team etc...'

needless to say, the phone call lasted just few minutes and i didnt say name of my manager.
agents are smart...probably with a look at our website she figured it out.

Because when i got back to my desk 5 mins after the call (which ,btw, is 2 meters away from my manager).. my colleagu ereceived a call from a certain 'Chloe from xxxrecruit', - the same agent who just called me 5 mins ago - she wanted to speak to my manager... because ' are you looking for programmers' now that i was leaving

luckily she got what she deserved - nothing - as we use a preferred agency for recruitment

this is just one of many stories..... i dindt know agent world was like that.
got disappointed at beginning, but now i m having a laugh per day in facing this situations

[reformation]

Hi,

'hello this is Chloe from xxrecruit, i have seen your CV for this position.. you seem a perfect fit for it. just before we get into that, who is your manager? i just want to have a picture of the team etc...'

needless to say, the phone call lasted just few minutes and i didnt say name of my manager.
agents are smart...probably with a look at our website she figured it out.

Because when i got back to my desk 5 mins after the call (which ,btw, is 2 meters away from my manager).. my colleagu ereceived a call from a certain 'Chloe from xxxrecruit', - the same agent who just called me 5 mins ago - she wanted to speak to my manager... because ' are you looking for programmers' now that i was leaving

luckily she got what she deserved - nothing - as we use a preferred agency for recruitment

this is just one of many stories..... i dindt know agent world was like that.
got disappointed at beginning, but now i m having a laugh per day in facing this situations

They are the arse end of the market, simple solution, no client name no conversation

[foritisme]

Look this is my first post, and im jumping straight into the snake pit with this reply, but i have been looking at this site for some time and i dont believe that contractors(you) dont help out Agents who ask for references / managers names will only benefit you in future.

1.- we get a manager name from you
2. we speak with that manager and find a new contract job
3. we place a contractor into it
4. the contractor is so happy we have found him a new contract ( paying £10ph more than he has ever got ) that he gives us his old boss's name
5 - we call the manager who has a job and we give you a call, and HEY PRESTO - you have a new contract.

we dont ask for managers names for the fun of it. it's because we want to earn more money, and we do that by putting you in jobs - we all win!

If it was as clear cut as above then fair enough, but when you apply for what you think is a genuine contract position only to find that the conversation ends as soon as you have passed on a name (yes I was wet behind the ears years ago) and you never hear from said pimp again - well work it out for yourself.

[tim123]

Look this is my first post, and im jumping straight into the snake pit with this reply, but i have been looking at this site for some time and i dont believe that contractors(you) dont help out Agents who ask for references / managers names will only benefit you in future.

1.- we get a manager name from you
2. we speak with that manager and find a new contract job
3. we place a contractor into it
4. the contractor is so happy we have found him a new contract ( paying £10ph more than he has ever got ) that he gives us his old boss's name
5 - we call the manager who has a job and we give you a call, and HEY PRESTO - you have a new contract.

we dont ask for managers names for the fun of it. it's because we want to earn more money, and we do that by putting you in jobs - we all win!

No, you've missed the fact that this is a zero sum game. If the client has a vaccancy it will (probably) get filled whether I give you the manager's name or not.

So, my giving you his name does not 'reward' me with the prospect of a job somewhere else, because I have not increased the general pool of jobs by doing so.

You have to come up with a 'real' benefit to me for giving to the manager's name or I'm not going to do so.

Frankly, all those agents who I have helped in the past have done bugger all to return the favour.

tim

[reformation]

What a load of codswallop.

What you seem to suggest is that contractors are responsible for keeping EBs in business rather than keeping their clients in business by supplying the best contractors available.

About 5 above. Since when does a client manager who knows nothing about a contractor's background and has not seen and interviewed them just give a role out to a EB's favoured contractor based on a past favour the EB got from that same contractor over leads about a different company which has not benefitted the would be client in question? All contractors have to be interviewed first before they are offered, therefore your over simplistic suggestion - bingo you've got the role I put you forward is absurd.

EBs survive by exploiting contractors and clients - that's a fact. They are NOT in the business of providing contractors with jobs or favours. That's why I find it reprehensible that jobboards refer to contractors as 'jobseekers.' In fact we are doing an EB a favour by making ourselves avaialble for sourcing to your client. The favour is already there by default of you placing the advert.

To then here you say that EBs ask favours of contractors in return for getting jobs is just plain wrong. EBs merely use contractors for their own ends by extracting freebie information that will earn contractors no reciprocal benefits (in fact I would call it theft to phish for leads - although technically its theft from the EB who sourced the contractor rather than the contractor themselves unless the contractor can legit' work direct to that client). In newly ended roles, a contractor has no real right to pass on ex-end cleint manager names becuase technically speaking the companies they worked for are not their own clients (but the EB's who sourced them for that role). Therefore, what you are doing is stabbing other EBs in the back and usuing contractors as the vehicle to do it.

Even the clients don't always get the best contractors put forward for the roles they have out because the grasping EBs will always try and hike their margin by sending forward cheaper and less experienced contractors than the client really needs (unless there is real marketplace competition to fill the same role using multiple EBs) and, in that case, the contractor is at a disadvantage with so much potential competition for the job.

The only reason contractors ever use EBs is because they are experts in a field that only really exists in large to medium enterprises who all insist on sourcing contractors through EBs. If that were not the case then we would not use you.

Simple.

You managed a whole post without mentioning IR35, i salute you!

[mictech]

1.- we get a manager name from you
2. we speak with that manager and find a new contract job
3. we place a contractor into it
4. the contractor is so happy we have found him a new contract ( paying £10ph more than he has ever got ) that he gives us his old boss's name
5 - we call the manager who has a job and we give you a call, and HEY PRESTO - you have a new contract.

we dont ask for managers names for the fun of it. it's because we want to earn more money, and we do that by putting you in jobs - we all win!

If you have just given us the job from the contractor in point 3 and he is on £10 more per hour, That would mean we left a job to take his job for £10 less an hour. Plus your finders fee. I see how we all win.