Volunteering should be a for a charity. The NHS isn't a charity.
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Contracts with NHS have always been crap but not this bad!
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostVolunteering should be a for a charity. The NHS isn't a charity.Comment
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Originally posted by SussexSeagull View PostVolunteering should be a for a charity. The NHS isn't a charity.
1: a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service: such as
a: one who enters into military service voluntarily
b(1): one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest
(2): one who receives a conveyance or transfer of property without giving valuable consideration
Hmm, I decided to look it up and, no mention of volunteering being specific only to charities. And whether volunteering may or may not lead to a role is entirely up to the person entering into the above 'willingness'.
As for the trials, per the BBC report, a way round this may be to suggest; 'Perform a day's trial which, if we take you on, you will thus be paid for. If we see you're not capable, you will not be invited back and you will not be paid.'
How different is this to all the coding tests you developers perform which, May or May not, lead to a job?Comment
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Originally posted by simes View Post..Comment
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Originally posted by anonymouse View PostThese roles are classed as volunteer, with a hint of "if we like you there may be a role", so it's a work trial and not a volunteer. They are not like a coding test, but weeks without pay with the lure of something more.
For my part, when I was talking to the agency about such a gig, my 'pay-off', if you like, was purely to get some NHS / Public sector experience on the CV. Without this, the paying roles currently advertised all say the usual, Must have NHS / Public Sector guff. So, irrespective of whether they liked me, or found money, I would have had it on my CV.
And I would have gone in with eyes wide open only to the CV bit. Lures and possibilities were not even a consideration. Anyway, free will and all that, no one is forcing anyone into such a gig so good luck to any and all.Comment
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Originally posted by simes View PostWell, they used the word Volunteer, not Trial. So until they, the agency, say otherwise, it's Volunteer.
For my part, when I was talking to the agency about such a gig, my 'pay-off', if you like, was purely to get some NHS / Public sector experience on the CV. Without this, the paying roles currently advertised all say the usual, Must have NHS / Public Sector guff. So, irrespective of whether they liked me, or found money, I would have had it on my CV.
And I would have gone in with eyes wide open only to the CV bit. Lures and possibilities were not even a consideration. Anyway, free will and all that, no one is forcing anyone into such a gig so good luck to any and all.Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostComment
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Originally posted by edison View PostI don't know where people get this sort of rubbish from. I was recently approached for an interim Assistant Director role at one of the largest London NHS trusts in London. Out of curiosity I Googled the perm salary and it was something like £63-72k. And that's for one level below Director level.Comment
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Originally posted by edison View PostI don't know where people get this sort of rubbish from. I was recently approached for an interim Assistant Director role at one of the largest London NHS trusts in London. Out of curiosity I Googled the perm salary and it was something like £63-72k. And that's for one level below Director level.Comment
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Originally posted by simes View PostDefinition of volunteer
1: a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service: such as
a: one who enters into military service voluntarily
b(1): one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest
(2): one who receives a conveyance or transfer of property without giving valuable consideration
Hmm, I decided to look it up and, no mention of volunteering being specific only to charities. And whether volunteering may or may not lead to a role is entirely up to the person entering into the above 'willingness'.
As for the trials, per the BBC report, a way round this may be to suggest; 'Perform a day's trial which, if we take you on, you will thus be paid for. If we see you're not capable, you will not be invited back and you will not be paid.'
How different is this to all the coding tests you developers perform which, May or May not, lead to a job?
Similarly it is up to the individual if they wish to go through any recruitment process. I won't personally do any productive work as part of a recruitment process and getting people to do trial shifts working in a restaurant is morally reprehensible.Comment
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