Anyone Worried?

[AnthonyQuinn]

Yes I can spend a lot of time doing that (and I do) but I worry it’s all going to be in vain because I’m just not seeing much to apply for and I’d be better moving my focus to a different income stream. I’m 56 and I travelled the length and breadth of this country eking out a living in the financial crisis. I just don’t have the stomach for that any more. Though I might have when I’m down to my last £1000....

None of this was in my script!

Build the stomach for that again. We are facing the biggest recession ever known to man. Something to dwarf the 1940s depression into insignificance. If you need to travel the length and breadth again, its no big deal..

[BigDataPro]

If you're prepared to work anywhere, but can't land a role within a year, I'd say a new career might be in order.

This!... Although I am not younger (50+) I have managed to switch domains / skillset to align with the market requirements and trends. It is doable and one has to work on it consistently and continuously. Finally fib a bit in your CV.

[elsergiovolador]

Fair amount of stuff popping up on the Digital Outcomes and Specialists framework, much of it outside IR35.

They still need to compete with private sector and probably only thing that makes them outside is the substitute clause. Once "level playing field" will be established and companies will be fearful of potential liabilities, the "inside" contracts will be a new norm. Any contract can be made "inside" and taxman may say that company offered "outside" one to avoid tax.

[BR14]

They still need to compete with private sector and probably only thing that makes them outside is the substitute clause. Once "level playing field" will be established and companies will be fearful of potential liabilities, the "inside" contracts will be a new norm. Any contract can be made "inside" and taxman may say that company offered "outside" one to avoid tax.

are you really AtW?

[DaveB]

They still need to compete with private sector and probably only thing that makes them outside is the substitute clause. Once "level playing field" will be established and companies will be fearful of potential liabilities, the "inside" contracts will be a new norm. Any contract can be made "inside" and taxman may say that company offered "outside" one to avoid tax.

And you are basing this deduction on what? Have you seen the contracts involved? Spoken to anyone who is working under one?

Unless you have concrete evidence to back up your claims all you are doing is spreading fear and uncertainty. You could almost be working for HMRC.

[BR14]

You could almost be working for HMRC.

or be AtW.

[elsergiovolador]

And you are basing this deduction on what? Have you seen the contracts involved? Spoken to anyone who is working under one?

Unless you have concrete evidence to back up your claims all you are doing is spreading fear and uncertainty. You could almost be working for HMRC.

You seem to have bought the propaganda that this reform does not affect freelancers and that everything will be fine, only permietractors will be inside. Run your contract through CEST tool and answer that the client can reject a substitute, most likely that is enough to turn the contract to "inside". Clients can use this tool to ensure that issued contracts are inside by adding or removing clauses, so that they are not liable for tax and penalties.

[ladymuck]

You seem to have bought the propaganda that this reform does not affect freelancers and that everything will be fine, only permietractors will be inside. Run your contract through CEST tool and answer that the client can reject a substitute, most likely that is enough to turn the contract to "inside". Clients can use this tool to ensure that issued contracts are inside by adding or removing clauses, so that they are not liable for tax and penalties.

That's not totally true.

My last client would not accept a sub and CEST said the gig was outside without any "massaging" of the results to get that outcome.

Substitution is just one factor of an overall contract. There are plenty of roles where a sub is not practical or desirable yet the working practices are not akin to employment.

Please do edcuate yourself rather than spitting out the HMRC kool-aid you've overdosed on.

[David71]

G-Cloud is open for applications; worth having a go.

I'd get on all the government frameworks you can and see what comes up as a fit for your skill set.

I've just got a 5 month contract via the NEPRO framework (although they want to lower the rate before 'awarding' it officially ) which has come in handy as the contract I recently signed keeps getting its' start date moved back

[SussexSeagull]

I few of the SC contracts I can't go for were outside IR35 and based in locations I know the HMRC have offices in!