Boring/Not much work to do in current contract

[MrMarkyMark]

FTFY

These can tend to be some of the average of any role. Big consultancies make a large percentage of their profits by pushing under skilled staff onto clients.

Usually, when you work with consultancies as a contractor, you will be "expected" to bring on and basically train their inexperienced consultants.

That's my experience, anyway.

[LondonManc]

FTFY



Usually, when you work with consultancies as a contractor, you will be "expected" to bring on and basically train their inexperienced consultants.

That's my experience, anyway.

I've generally seen a 4-3-3 in consultancies where all permies are used; 4 poor, 3 average and 3 good and of the 3 good, one spends most of their day trying to sell more days to the client.

Very good MO, clearly works and companies keep falling for it.

[northernladuk]

I've generally seen a 4-3-3 in consultancies where all permies are used; 4 poor, 3 average and 3 good and of the 3 good, one spends most of their day trying to sell more days to the client.

Very good MO, clearly works and companies keep falling for it.

Yeah I've seen this. They annoying thing is the poor to average tend to be 2 years out of Uni thinking they are the dogs bollocks I can't see that everyone else is well aware they don't have the experience. It's what I was thinking reading the OPs posts. He'd make a terrific Accenture grad.

[LondonManc]

Yeah I've seen this. They annoying thing is the poor to average tend to be 2 years out of Uni thinking they are the dogs bollocks I can't see that everyone else is well aware they don't have the experience. It's what I was thinking reading the OPs posts. He'd make a terrific Accenture grad.

They dress very well and can use PowerPoint. Beyond that, I wouldn't trust them to analyse their way out of a wet paper bag.

[MrMarkyMark]

Yeah I've seen this. They annoying thing is the poor to average tend to be 2 years out of Uni thinking they are the dogs bollocks I can't see that everyone else is well aware they don't have the experience. It's what I was thinking reading the OPs posts. He'd make a terrific Accenture grad.

"Terrific Accenture Grad?"

I'll see if I come across one during my Unicorn Poo search

[VillageContractor]

FTFY



Usually, when you work with consultancies as a contractor, you will be "expected" to bring on and basically train their inexperienced consultants.

That's my experience, anyway.

I was talking about the perms. But you're right, if you're working for a consultancy as a contractor you need to be pulling your weight or they will get rid quick

[MrMarkyMark]

I was talking about the perms. But you're right, if you're working for a consultancy as a contractor you need to be pulling your weight or they will get rid quick

I meant you are expected to train and bring on their inexperienced perms.
Extensions with them can also be rare.

Last tine I engaged with one they took 8 of us on with a similar skill set.
Some were let go quickly, prior to their contract end date, the consultancy ultimately only extended a friend and myself.

Was a real result in the end, as I have had 3+ years worth of work from the end client engaging me directly.

One of the better consultancies I have worked for, they had no issue with us performing further service to the client, once our arrangement was done.
The words used were, "We don't make our money by body shopping contractors"
They offered £50 PD extra, for the one extension we got too, it was a very hard gig but I didn't expect that

[zeus91]

the poor to average tend to be 2 years out of Uni thinking they are the dogs bollocks

It's what I was thinking reading the OPs posts. He'd make a terrific Accenture grad.

A little unfair I think, I don't get the reason for these types of negative posts, I just posted on here for some advice, not to be pre-judged or ridiculed.

[northernladuk]

A little unfair I think, I don't get the reason for these types of negative posts, I just posted on here for some advice, not to be pre-judged or ridiculed.

Not really if you've worked with Accenture (and the like) consultants before. A few others commented the same. It's a pretty good stereotype so I'm not ridiculing you.

What I should have made clear though when I use the term poor to average I mean in the terms of experience per £ spent. They will be still charged to the client at over £1k a day for which you'd expect a lot more. I did assume that's what LondonManc met. Not poor as in rubbish.

[LondonManc]

Not really if you've worked with Accenture (and the like) consultants before. A few others commented the same. It's a pretty good stereotype so I'm not ridiculing you.

What I should have made clear though when I use the term poor to average I mean in the terms of experience per £ spent. They will be still charged to the client at over £1k a day for which you'd expect a lot more. I did assume that's what LondonManc met. Not poor as in rubbish.

Very much depends. The bottom four, I've seen all sorts, including a guy billed out at £1k a day who took the whole day to build a simple SQL script to create a single table, when it should have took 10-20 minutes. Others are simply clever but massively inexperienced graduates who the consultancy are trying to get trained up on the job at the client's expense. I wouldn't mind if these types are allowed on site as shadow consultants at a lower rate, but consultancies typically try and charge them out for as much as they can get.