Contract without paper - IR35 exposure?

[MarillionFan]

I've worked without a contract at least 4 times over by contracting career. We agree a price for the work verbally, I invoice then get paid. What's so difficult about that?

[TheMonkey]

Nothing. You're just taping your ass up extra-carefully by using a PO/Proposal/Work order.

Describing the work in the documents is handy, especially when the scope creeps...

[MarillionFan]

Oh of course. Just depends on who you're dealing with. I wouldn't dream of going through an agent without a contract. Direct is different.

[lilelvis2000]

Sorry, but the manager signing the invoice is not going to be enough to satisfy the shareholders. In instances of companies wrongly paying money over to third parties, the individual payment was likely to be signed off by manager.

As to the PO answer. I agree. But for my purposes this IS the contract. It will contain the payment terms. But the first post siad that he had no documented proof of the payment terms.

tim

So I take it you'd never work without paper...even on a 3 day "contract"? I'm quite comfortable with it. Of course if I'm wrongly paid there's always the courts.

No shareholders involved in this place -- its a co-operative...and I'm a member!

[MarillionFan]

"No shareholders involved in this place -- its a co-operative...and I'm a member! "

this should read

"No shareholders involved in this place -- its a co-operative...and I'm an employee! "

[tim123]

So I take it you'd never work without paper...even on a 3 day "contract"? I'm quite comfortable with it. Of course if I'm wrongly paid there's always the courts.

Correct. But I've never done a three day contract.

And how are the courts going to give you satisfaction if there's no paper contract? I would expect the court will take the same view that I did. If a corporate engages the services of a profession on a long term contract, they will expect there to be an audit trail. This isn't A.N.Other v DSG argueing about whether a consumer purchase is fit for use?

tim

[lilelvis2000]

Correct. But I've never done a three day contract.

And how are the courts going to give you satisfaction if there's no paper contract? I would expect the court will take the same view that I did. If a corporate engages the services of a profession on a long term contract, they will expect there to be an audit trail. This isn't A.N.Other v DSG argueing about whether a consumer purchase is fit for use?

tim

tim , tim, tim....sigh...what ARE we gonna do with you. Never mind stick to you namby pamby ways...worrying about that all important "audit trail" (whatever that is). I'm sure you spend hours devising ways to ensure all trails lead to you.

[lilelvis2000]

"No shareholders involved in this place -- its a co-operative...and I'm a member! "

this should read

"No shareholders involved in this place -- its a co-operative...and I'm an employee! "

naaaa, not an employee, but am a member...with dividends!