Contracting working hours: the norm

[unixman]

Violate IR35?? Break IR35 rules?? What on earth are you talking about. Just opt out, no problems then.

When I say "violate IR35", or "break IR35 rules", I obviously mean "put your contract at risk of being judged to be inside IR35". Stop being obtuse FFS. You are in very belligerant mood today.

[northernladuk]

When I say "violate IR35", or "break IR35 rules", I obviously mean "put your contract at risk of being judged to be inside IR35". Stop being obtuse FFS. You are in very belligerant mood today.

Not really, if you are going to try to work around a complex piece of legislation you have to use the right terminology...

I just think your last two posts are focussing on the wrong thing. You've been around long enough so I am sure you are ok with this, it's just the wording is confusing the issue. IR35 shouldn't drive the way you engage with a client. You should be driving towards a working as a business, not a disguised employee. IR35 situation is dictated by the way you do that business, not the other way around. Negotiate so that you look like an business and the IR35 will follow. Focussing on IR35 as the driver I think is the wrong way around which is what your posts suggest, particularly when you talk about IR35 frameworks etc. You don't go to the agent to sort the IR35 issues out, you go to the agent to sort the working practices out, IR35 status changes as a result. It's the tail wagging the dog. Am sure in another context we would be exactly on the same page. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

As I said earlier, the way you work maybe the client and/or agents problem but IR35 affects only you.