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Getting ahead of years salary payments in case of no contract before year end

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    Getting ahead of years salary payments in case of no contract before year end

    OK. So you start out the year with an annual salary in mind. All works out well if your in contract, just pay annual salary/12 per month and job done.

    BUT, if you suddenly find yourself without a contract and want to claim JSA you've got to stop paying that salary.One good thing is that if claim for a bit then subsequently get a gig BEFORE tax year end you can 'catch up' again. (i.e. if you missed a month just pay double salary next month). It does invoke a PAYE payment this way but you do get it back at tax return time.

    The problem occurs when you find yourself without gig near year end. If you end up not getting a gig before april you potentially will waste some of your tax benefits.

    Example:-

    Pay yourself £10K per year. Means zero tax and not a lot of NI.
    However, come March 1st and you're without gig so you want to claim JSA.
    Before you do this, assume all reserves in company are paid out in dividends so theres zero in there.
    (Yes, I know this whole thing does not work if you've got large warchest in company or personal funds).

    So, by end of tax year, you've basically paid yourself £833 less than is optimum and, in effect (because you paid as dividend) paid 20% CT on it = £167. Of course, if you get gig before end of tax year just pay yourself sharpish to use the £10K.

    As you can see though, losing £167 is still preferable to not claiming JSA for the month at £72/week = around £300 a month.

    So way around this? Maybe. Nothing stopping you paying youself double salary in Feb (knowing gig is ending). It will incur some PAYE but ultimately it means you'll get the whole salary in just in case you dont manage to in march.

    Still leaves you free to claim JSA in march. Bit of a hassle maybe but perfectly legal it seems. There no reason why you can pay yourself the years salary up front on April 6th each year after all (but probably not clever because you'd pay upfront PAYE and then have to wait to get it back).

    Of course, all makes no difference if you get a gig before end of tax year but this seems like a plan if you find yourself on the dole just before year end.

    And yes I know its not a huge amount if you're in a gig but it could be for some on the bench. And please lets not turn this into another discussion about the rights and wrongs of claiming JSA.
    Last edited by psychocandy; 28 October 2014, 10:06.
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    #2
    Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
    BUT, if you suddenly find yourself with a contract and want to claim JSA
    Wouldn't that be fraud if you have a contract and want to claim JSA?
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      #3
      Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
      Wouldn't that be fraud if you have a contract and want to claim JSA?
      Ah. Important spelling mistake. WITHOUT gig it should be.

      Of course, you can only claim JSA if you are not working,
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        #4
        **Waits for the moral debate about contractors and JSA**
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          #5
          Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
          **Waits for the moral debate about contractors and JSA**
          Spartie - NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Not again........................................
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            #6
            Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
            Spartie - NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Not again........................................
            hahaha you know me I never wade into that debate so I have no view on the matter though I know others do, you really should put your big wooden spoon away
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              #7
              Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
              **Waits for the moral debate about contractors and JSA**
              Not saying anything until NLUK gave his opinion

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                #8
                Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
                hahaha you know me I never wade into that debate so I have no view on the matter though I know others do, you really should put your big wooden spoon away
                Fair enough. But valid info for those who decide to go down this route.

                If you dont want to ever claim or its not appropriate for your circumstances then fair play...
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by psychocandy View Post
                  OK. So you start out the year with an annual salary in mind. All works out well if your in contract, just pay annual salary/12 per month and job done.

                  BUT, if you suddenly find yourself without a contract and want to claim JSA you've got to stop paying that salary.One good thing is that if claim for a bit then subsequently get a gig BEFORE tax year end you can 'catch up' again. (i.e. if you missed a month just pay double salary next month). It does invoke a PAYE payment this way but you do get it back at tax return time.

                  The problem occurs when you find yourself without gig near year end. If you end up not getting a gig before april you potentially will waste some of your tax benefits.

                  Example:-

                  Pay yourself £10K per year. Means zero tax and not a lot of NI.
                  However, come March 1st and you're without gig so you want to claim JSA.
                  Before you do this, assume all reserves in company are paid out in dividends so theres zero in there.
                  (Yes, I know this whole thing does not work if you've got large warchest in company or personal funds).

                  So, by end of tax year, you've basically paid yourself £833 less than is optimum and, in effect (because you paid as dividend) paid 20% CT on it = £167. Of course, if you get gig before end of tax year just pay yourself sharpish to use the £10K.

                  As you can see though, losing £167 is still preferable to not claiming JSA for the month at £72/week = around £300 a month.

                  So way around this? Maybe. Nothing stopping you paying youself double salary in Feb (knowing gig is ending). It will incur some PAYE but ultimately it means you'll get the whole salary in just in case you dont manage to in march.

                  Still leaves you free to claim JSA in march. Bit of a hassle maybe but perfectly legal it seems. There no reason why you can pay yourself the years salary up front on April 6th each year after all (but probably not clever because you'd pay upfront PAYE and then have to wait to get it back).

                  Of course, all makes no difference if you get a gig before end of tax year but this seems like a plan if you find yourself on the dole just before year end.

                  And yes I know its not a huge amount if you're in a gig but it could be for some on the bench. And please lets not turn this into another discussion about the rights and wrongs of claiming JSA.
                  I don't want to be offensive but this seems such a permie mindset. Is your company making you redundant or something?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by oliverson View Post
                    I don't want to be offensive but this seems such a permie mindset. Is your company making you redundant or something?
                    Ignoring all comments saying its not right to claim JSA. We've been over this a gazillion times before.
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