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    #31
    Voting for Farage and the Brexit party won't mean a thing, apart from showing that the voter is an imbecile. The bottom line is make a protest vote for Farage in the upcoming EU elections if you want to, but don't expect that to mean you will be any more likely get a 'No Deal' Brexit if they get the biggest vote share because it won't.Of course professional right wing snake oil salesman 'Nige' isn't being very clear about this inescapable truth for obvious reasons...
    It is the UK parliament that will decide how we leave or otherwise, and whether Farage and the Brextremists like it or not, there's no majority in parliament for a 'No Deal' Brexit (because not all politicians are that stupid)
    However much Farage may howl at betrayal, that is how our democracy works and has done for centuries - we are a representative democracy which means that whilst we elect MPs to make decisions on our behalf, they are empowered to make decisions as they see fit, and whether this actually tallies with the wishes of the electorate is by the by - If you don't like the decisions they make, you can vote 'em out next time)
    Also, whilst the EU parliament will have to ratify any agreement reached between the EU and the UK, and even if we were stupid enough as a country to elect a Brexit Party MEP in every seat they would have nowhere near the numbers required to get anywhere near blocking it.
    That's the reality folks - Though we suspect all we will hear in response from the hard core leavers is 'la la la' as we always do when they are faced with an uncomfortable truth.
    Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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      #32
      Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
      Voting for Farage and the Brexit party won't mean a thing, apart from showing that the voter is an imbecile. The bottom line is make a protest vote for Farage in the upcoming EU elections if you want to, but don't expect that to mean you will be any more likely get a 'No Deal' Brexit if they get the biggest vote share because it won't.Of course professional right wing snake oil salesman 'Nige' isn't being very clear about this inescapable truth for obvious reasons...
      It is the UK parliament that will decide how we leave or otherwise, and whether Farage and the Brextremists like it or not, there's no majority in parliament for a 'No Deal' Brexit (because not all politicians are that stupid)
      However much Farage may howl at betrayal, that is how our democracy works and has done for centuries - we are a representative democracy which means that whilst we elect MPs to make decisions on our behalf, they are empowered to make decisions as they see fit, and whether this actually tallies with the wishes of the electorate is by the by - If you don't like the decisions they make, you can vote 'em out next time)
      Also, whilst the EU parliament will have to ratify any agreement reached between the EU and the UK, and even if we were stupid enough as a country to elect a Brexit Party MEP in every seat they would have nowhere near the numbers required to get anywhere near blocking it.
      That's the reality folks - Though we suspect all we will hear in response from the hard core leavers is 'la la la' as we always do when they are faced with an uncomfortable truth.
      Until the next general election, when if all goes to plan, Nige is PM in a majority govt.

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        #33
        Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
        Voting for Farage and the Brexit party won't mean a thing, apart from showing that the voter is an imbecile.
        In that case, what is your preferred mechanism for showing everyone that you're an imbecile?

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          #34
          Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
          In that case, what is your preferred mechanism for showing everyone that you're an imbecile?
          By logging in as shaunbhoy....
          Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.

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            #35
            “Instead, shortly after the interview began, Marr produced a piece of paper and started reading scripted questions relating to things I allegedly said or thought years ago – questions, by 
the...”

            Andrew Marr's obsession with my past betrays the bias at the heart of the BBC

            “allegedly said”, “scripted questions”

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              #36
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              “Instead, shortly after the interview began, Marr produced a piece of paper and started reading scripted questions relating to things I allegedly said or thought years ago – questions, by 
the...”

              Andrew Marr's obsession with my past betrays the bias at the heart of the BBC

              “allegedly said”, “scripted questions”
              You obviously didn't watch the interview. The questions Andrew Marr asked were very carefully scripted, and as no particular supporter of Nigel Farage, the questions asked were distortions of the truth. For example, Andrew Marr asked if Nigel Farage still supported HIS STATEMENT that anybody with HIV should have treatment withheld by the NHS. When the BBC played the VT of NF supposedly making this statement what he actually said was the anybody coming to the UK, from outside of the UK, to seek FREE treatment on the NHS should be refused.

              To all the snowflakes out there I ask this question. Why should any non UK national be allowed free treatment on the NHS? The NHS is supposed to make upfront charges for treatment for foreign nationals but it is upto the individual trusts to implement this and of course it simply doesn't happen. Who takes the payment, the doctor, the nurse, the receptionist. None of these employees within the NHS are equipped to either take the necessary payment or decide how much. The net result is treatment is given free of charge. This isn't racism, this is the UK behaving in exactly the same way that other countries behave. It you want medical treatment abroad the first thing you have to do is hand over your credit card and claim back off your insurance. Why should NHS medical treatment be given free at the point of delivery to anyone who has not contributed to that system?
              Last edited by Yorkie62; 14 May 2019, 06:25.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
                You obviously didn't watch the interview. The questions Andrew Marr asked were very carefully scripted, and as no particular supporter of Nigel Farage, the questions asked were distortions of the truth. For example, Andrew Marr asked if Nigel Farage still supported HIS STATEMENT that anybody with HIV should have treatment withheld by the NHS. When the BBC played the VT of NF supposedly making this statement what he actually said was the anybody coming to the UK, from outside of the UK, to seek FREE treatment on the NHS should be refused.

                To all the snowflakes out there I ask this question. Why should any non UK national be allowed free treatment on the NHS? The NHS is supposed to make upfront charges for treatment for foreign nationals but it is upto the individual trusts to implement this and of course it simply doesn't happen. Who takes the payment, the doctor, the nurse, the receptionist. None of these employees within the NHS are equipped to either take the necessary payment or decide how much. The net result is treatment is given free of charge. This isn't racism, this is the UK behaving in exactly the same way that other countries behave. It you want medical treatment abroad the first thing you have to do is hand over your credit card and claim back off your insurance. Why should NHS medical treatment be given free at the point of delivery to anyone who has not contributed to that system?
                Why do you believe that the NHS is supposed to make upfront charges for treatment for foreign nationals? Educate yourself with the facts and then rejoin the conversation.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
                  You obviously didn't watch the interview. The questions Andrew Marr asked were very carefully scripted, and as no particular supporter of Nigel Farage, the questions asked were distortions of the truth. For example, Andrew Marr asked if Nigel Farage still supported HIS STATEMENT that anybody with HIV should have treatment withheld by the NHS. When the BBC played the VT of NF supposedly making this statement what he actually said was the anybody coming to the UK, from outside of the UK, to seek FREE treatment on the NHS should be refused.

                  To all the snowflakes out there I ask this question. Why should any non UK national be allowed free treatment on the NHS? The NHS is supposed to make upfront charges for treatment for foreign nationals but it is upto the individual trusts to implement this and of course it simply doesn't happen. Who takes the payment, the doctor, the nurse, the receptionist. None of these employees within the NHS are equipped to either take the necessary payment or decide how much. The net result is treatment is given free of charge. This isn't racism, this is the UK behaving in exactly the same way that other countries behave. It you want medical treatment abroad the first thing you have to do is hand over your credit card and claim back off your insurance. Why should NHS medical treatment be given free at the point of delivery to anyone who has not contributed to that system?
                  Oh now stop being logical.

                  They have made up their mind Farage is racist and so therefore he is.

                  And so are you for voting Brexit - and me too.

                  And in fact everyone who does not agree with him is racist.

                  In fact you are hitler and I claim my 5 pounds

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                    Why do you believe that the NHS is supposed to make upfront charges for treatment for foreign nationals? Educate yourself with the facts and then rejoin the conversation.
                    This
                    Overseas patient upfront tariff | NHS Improvement


                    Educate yourself with the facts and then rejoin the conversation.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Yorkie62 View Post
                      This
                      Overseas patient upfront tariff | NHS Improvement


                      Educate yourself with the facts and then rejoin the conversation.
                      Do you think that overseas patient status is defined by foreign nationaliity?

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