Brexit dividend

[sasguru]

Incredible that this is actually happening and has been for a while now yet the Brexiteers are still using the "Scaremongering" tactic.

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Most Brexiters aren't in London or the South East where this is happening and most aren't in the mover-and-shaker roles which would expose them to what's happening.
If you work in IT support, say, for some public sector body or utility in the North, it must seem as if nothing is changing very much.
Certainly politicians of whatever stripe in their Westminster bubble haven't a clue.
By the time it becomes obvious what has happened, it'll be too late - and permanent.

[original PM]

Most Brexiters aren't in London or the South East where this is happening and most aren't in the mover-and-shaker roles which would expose them to what's happening.
If you work in IT support, say, for some public sector body or utility in the North, it must seem as if nothing is changing very much.
Certainly politicians of whatever stripe in their Westminster bubble haven't a clue.
By the time it becomes obvious what has happened, it'll be too late - and permanent.

Are you a 'mover and shaker'? If so can you enlighten us to what you are exposed to?

If you are not a mover and shaker are therefore everything you get is second hand and therefore spun to the preference of the person telling you this.

And finally do you think the 'movers and shakers' are looking at what is best for the UK or simply what is best for them?

[Old Greg]

Are you a 'mover and shaker'? If so can you enlighten us to what you are exposed to?

If you are not a mover and shaker are therefore everything you get is second hand and therefore spun to the preference of the person telling you this.

And finally do you think the 'movers and shakers' are looking at what is best for the UK or simply what is best for them?

Before you worry about what is best for the UK, you need to first get a grip on the facts. Then we can have a discussion about what is best for the UK, within the context of reality.

The alternative is to try to decide what is best for the UK within the context of fiction, such as:

[sasguru]

Are you a 'mover and shaker'? If so can you enlighten us to what you are exposed to?

If you are not a mover and shaker are therefore everything you get is second hand and therefore spun to the preference of the person telling you this.

And finally do you think the 'movers and shakers' are looking at what is best for the UK or simply what is best for them?

I don't know about being a mover and shaker, but I've taken a very well paid role working in Brussels as a direct result of Brexit - one that will enable me to command very high rates when I go back to contracting (probably in Europe, since I think the contracting market in the UK will be poor) in a year or two. These roles would have been created in London before Brexit.
Your question about whether 'movers and shakers' are looking at what is best for the UK or simply what is best for them is irrelevant - the two are not mutually incompatibel as Adam Smith worked out centuries ago.
Clearly it's not good that highly paid, skilled jobs are being created abroad while the UK has low productivity and low wage growth with full employment which suggests the jobs being created in the UK are Uber driving and Amazon delivery.

Now that I've told you what I'm up to, perhaps you can enlighten us on why you think jobs aren't moving abroad? What do you do?

[Old Greg]

I don't know about being a mover and shaker, but I've taken a very well paid role working in Brussels as a direct result of Brexit - one that will enable me to command very high rates when I go back to contracting (probably in Europe, since I think the contracting market in the UK will be poor) in a year or two. These roles would have been created in London before Brexit.
Your question about whether 'movers and shakers' are looking at what is best for the UK or simply what is best for them is irrelevant - the two are not mutually incompatibel as Adam Smith worked out centuries ago.
Clearly it's not good that highly paid, skilled jobs are being created abroad while the UK has low productivity and low wage growth with full employment which suggests the jobs being created in the UK are Uber driving and Amazon delivery.

Now that I've told you what I'm up to, perhaps you can enlighten us on why you think jobs aren't moving abroad? What do you do?

Ireland also has a load of Amazon jobs coming down the track.

Amazon Web Services (AWS), a company offering pay-as-you go cloud and data storage services, is to nearly double its Irish operation with the creation of 1,000 high-skilled technology jobs in Dublin.

The firm, a subsidiary of US online retailer Amazon, said it expects to fill the new roles within two years.

The new jobs will be spread across both AWS and its parent company.

They will be in areas including software engineering, network engineering, data specialisation and machine learning and will be located on Amazon sites in north county Dublin, Blanchardstown and Tallaght.

AWS also officially opened its new Irish headquarters today, an expansion of its existing base on Burlington Road in Dublin city centre.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0618/97...services-jobs/

[sasguru]

Ireland also has a load of Amazon jobs coming down the track.



https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0618/97...services-jobs/

Well to be fair, that may have nothing to do with Brexit.
A post-Brexit vote consensus trend growth rate for the UK for the next 5 years of about 1.5% (and that assumes a Soft Brexit) rather than its post-war average of 2% tells us that something's wrong though.

[Old Greg]

Well to be fair, that may have nothing to do with Brexit.
A post-Brexit vote consensus trend growth rate for the UK for the next 5 years of about 1.5% (and that assumes a Soft Brexit) rather than its post-war average of 2% tells us that something's wrong though.

Just enjoying the contrast.