For richer or for poorer

[sasguru]

For a sense of perspective. here's what many parts of Britain looked like pre-EU.

Slum Britain: 50 Years On revisits the children who shocked Swinging Sixties Britain | Daily Mail Online

[meridian]

Forced??

I know many who choose to and then spend the money they save on beer n fags.....

Excellent. Only 3,999,996 that are forced to, then.

The plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[original PM]

For a sense of perspective. here's what many parts of Britain looked like pre-EU.

Slum Britain: 50 Years On revisits the children who shocked Swinging Sixties Britain | Daily Mail Online

Or 15 years after world war 2 - if you want to put it that way.

Terrible shocking pictures - but wait all of the UK was not like this so why did these people - for example the family of 9 which came over from Ireland - have nothing???

Was it

a) Because nobody had anything.
b) They had 7 kids they could not afford, did not work and generally expected everyone else to pick up the bill?

I think it is important to remember that sometimes 'victims of circumstance' often contributed greatly to the 'circumstances' they found themselves in.

[darmstadt]

The entire graphic is meaningless to the point of propaganda. Some of the poorest regions in Europe have simply been omitted.

Also, having been in the EU for 41 years one would argue that the EU is the cause of UK poverty rather than the solution. I've got news for you, we haven't left yet, you just nixed your own argument.

Shows how much people actually take in. I wonder if people noticed that it says Northern Europe only...

[meridian]

Or 15 years after world war 2 - if you want to put it that way.

Try again with your maths. The article says 1968-1972. Split the difference, that’s 1970. 25 years after WWII.

Terrible shocking pictures - but wait all of the UK was not like this so why did these people - for example the family of 9 which came over from Ireland - have nothing???

The U.K. at that time was the “sick man” of Europe. Ironic that Ireland was even worse, so of course plenty of Irish moved to the U.K. at that time. You have no way of knowing whether or not the parents were British subjects from that story though.

Was it

a) Because nobody had anything.
b) They had 7 kids they could not afford, did not work and generally expected everyone else to pick up the bill?

I think it is important to remember that sometimes 'victims of circumstance' often contributed greatly to the 'circumstances' they found themselves in.

Where did you get that from the story? That they did not work, or that they expected everyone else to pick up the bill?

I think it’s important to remember that a society is judged by how it treats its less well-off, and on that measure you fail.

[original PM]

Try again with your maths. The article says 1968-1972. Split the difference, that’s 1970. 25 years after WWII.

The U.K. at that time was the “sick man” of Europe. Ironic that Ireland was even worse, so of course plenty of Irish moved to the U.K. at that time. You have no way of knowing whether or not the parents were British subjects from that story though.

Where did you get that from the story? That they did not work, or that they expected everyone else to pick up the bill?

I think it’s important to remember that a society is judged by how it treats its less well-off, and on that measure you fail.

Yeah the article was about the Swinging sixties - which obviously runs from 60 to 70 - but you have to remember rationing only stopped in 1954 - so really the country was still trying to pick itself up after the war.

The part about not working is inferred - not ever body alive at that point was living in poverty - and so yes there is an interpolation that the circumstances people find them selves in was not 100% not their fault.

Also you do know there are people who would happily rob you of every single thing you own and then take a tulip on your cooling corpse - and then try and tell everyone else there are poor and need money - and a country should also be judged by how the deal with those types of people.

[sasguru]

Yeah the article was about the Swinging sixties - which obviously runs from 60 to 70 - but you have to remember rationing only stopped in 1954 - so really the country was still trying to pick itself up after the war.

The part about not working is inferred - not ever body alive at that point was living in poverty - and so yes there is an interpolation that the circumstances people find them selves in was not 100% not their fault.

Also you do know there are people who would happily rob you of every single thing you own and then take a tulip on your cooling corpse - and then try and tell everyone else there are poor and need money - and a country should also be judged by how the deal with those types of people.

It says clearly the pictures are from 1968-1972.
There's a reason why the Uk begged to get into the EU in the early 1970s, it was increasingly falling behind Europe.
https://www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-...d-09f7778e7377

And interestingly, every forecaster, even the most optimistic, sees growth of no more than 1.5% for the next 5 years.
That's with a soft Brexit.
With a hard Brexit I have no doubt there'll be a severe and long lasting recession.

[meridian]

Yeah the article was about the Swinging sixties - which obviously runs from 60 to 70 - but you have to remember rationing only stopped in 1954 - so really the country was still trying to pick itself up after the war.

The part about not working is inferred - not ever body alive at that point was living in poverty - and so yes there is an interpolation that the circumstances people find them selves in was not 100% not their fault.

Also you do know there are people who would happily rob you of every single thing you own and then take a tulip on your cooling corpse - and then try and tell everyone else there are poor and need money - and a country should also be judged by how the deal with those types of people.

“Not working” and being on the welfare is only being inferred by you.

By your logic, with the U.K. at historic levels of employment, there is no poverty in the country right now.

Or perhaps all those millions that are “just about managing” and are a single pay check away from disaster are in circumstances that are their own fault...