Smart Borders 2.0 Northern Ireland.

[meridian]

Compromise in terms of a bespoke deal rather than an off the peg.

Many existing opt outs and compromises.

San Marino has a partial customs union with the EU with opt outs on certain goods.

Lichtenstein has FOM opt outs.

It’s pretty clear what the UK position is.

The EU are under no obligation to offer anything just to make the UK’s exit easier. It was the UK’s decision to leave, the solution should have been thought about and discussed pre-referendum, or at the very least pre-Article 50 notification.

“Solution” being something realistic and on the table, not cake and unicorns.

[PurpleGorilla]

Is the Norway border (even with smart tech) defined as a hard border?

Where abouts on the border in Ireland are you going to be building customs control posts, holding depots, etc?

How long will it take to implement the smart tech, and when will the work be starting? What are you going to do in the meantime if the work is not finished before the U.K. leaves?

Not quite so simples.

Norway has a soft border. Something like 30 roads some of which have no customs. People are free to cross anywhere. No declared and random sample goods stop at a service /customs stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway...3Sweden_border

[darmstadt]

Norway has a soft border. Something like 30 roads some of which have no customs. People are free to cross anywhere. No declared and random sample goods stop at a service /customs stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway...3Sweden_border

https://news.sky.com/story/sweden-wa...rexit-11140707

Frictionless borders: learning from Norway - BBC News

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...norway-sweden/

Time, time, time is of the essence and this government don't seem to realise that...

[PurpleGorilla]

https://news.sky.com/story/sweden-wa...rexit-11140707

Frictionless borders: learning from Norway - BBC News

https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...norway-sweden/

Time, time, time is of the essence and this government don't seem to realise that...

Norway-Sweden is not as advanced as Smart Borders 2.0.

You’re right though, would take a while to get in place.

But then the can is getting kicked down the road isn’t it?

[darmstadt]

But then the can is getting kicked down the road isn’t it?

And that's about as far as it will get

[PurpleGorilla]

Smart Borders 2.0 Northern Ireland.

And that's about as far as it will get

Depends if they bring out the road warrior...

[northernladyuk]

Norway has a soft border. Something like 30 roads some of which have no customs. People are free to cross anywhere. No declared and random sample goods stop at a service /customs stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway...3Sweden_border

There are more border crossings in Ireland than the combined total of crossings between USA and Canada and crossings on the entire eastern EU border. Will these all be managed and left open or will a significant number be closed?

[PurpleGorilla]

Smart Borders 2.0 Northern Ireland.

There are more border crossings in Ireland than the combined total of crossings between USA and Canada and crossings on the entire eastern EU border. Will these all be managed and left open or will a significant number be closed?

All will be open.

Only non pre approved goods transport would need to go though main arterial border check roads - people, regular goods, pre approved goes straight through.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...them-1.2683072

[meridian]

All will be open.

Only non pre approved goods transport would need to go though main arterial border check roads - people, regular goods, pre approved goes straight through.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...them-1.2683072

So, open borders then.

You don’t see a problem from the Ireland perspective of (potentially) food and other goods that don’t meet EU standards being imported into NI and then smuggled over the border for consumption in Ireland?

[PurpleGorilla]

Smart Borders 2.0 Northern Ireland.

So, open borders then.

You don’t see a problem from the Ireland perspective of (potentially) food and other goods that don’t meet EU standards being imported into NI and then smuggled over the border for consumption in Ireland?

No, I don’t see a problem or cause for any concern there.

A) we would need a trade deal that enables inferior meat imports.
B) it would need to be cost effective to ship the carcasses half way round the world.

Don’t assume A and I find B unlikely.

As for eating a filthy Mc Chlorinated chicken sandwich in Dublin...

I think the odds are 1000 times more likely that you will eat a Quarter Pounder with horse burger;

and a 100,000 times more likely that the meat you eat will be kosher/halal. Which nobody seems to give a fig about.