Brexit, Snowflakes, Millenials, and being offended!

[bulltraderpt]

I have, as yet, had no answer to the question which is this:

I personally want to be governed by a British elected officials, so I although I might like Europe as a continent, I do not want to be elected by officials who aren't for all intense and purposes, British.

Question: "What is so wrong with wanting to trade with Europe and directly with others countries, but not wanting to be tied in directly or indirectly to Europe for the purposes of being governed by them?"

[stek]

Question: "What is so wrong with wanting to trade with Europe and directly with others countries, but not wanting to be tied in directly or indirectly to Europe for the purposes of being governed by them?"

Nothing. But the UK has to be prepared to pay for that access, if you are not a member, you don't get the benefits.

The was this economist bloke on RTE today, suggesting that the UK on Brexit not only wants it's UK cake, it want's to eat the EU one too.

Switched on bloke this one, he said in 6 months time went the Brits release the harder negotiations have yet to come, and then we have to start finding new trade deals, that Brexit will not happen, either the Tory party will give it up and a bad job, an unwinnable battle, or press on regardless, new election, Labour-led coalition, and whilst Corbyn is no fan of the EU, the party are.

But the emphasis was on the difficulties yet to come, unpicking the UK isolating itself from a rapidly globalising world, and for someone with a position to lose in politics or government to stand up and say it. Loudly so the few remaining Brexiters understand and we can prize their crayons from their cold dead hands....

[BlasterBates]

I have, as yet, had no answer to the question which is this:

I personally want to be governed by a British elected officials, so I although I might like Europe as a continent, I do not want to be elected by officials who aren't for all intense and purposes, British.

Question: "What is so wrong with wanting to trade with Europe and directly with others countries, but not wanting to be tied in directly or indirectly to Europe for the purposes of being governed by them?"

Think of it like wanting to live in Britain but not pay tax nor abide by the laws. It aint going to happen. Europe won't allow it. Why ? because Britain can now undercut Europeans and when they cause unemployment in another European country because they flood the market with cheap goods, they can prevent the people they made unemployed from working and issue visas to Australians instead. Currently after Britain managed to win all the investment banking business Europeans didn't mind because they could simply go and work in London.

You want to access to Europe you abide by it's rules or you stay outside. It is totally naive to think the Europe will allow Britain to walk all over them.

[bulltraderpt]

Nothing. But the UK has to be prepared to pay for that access, if you are not a member, you don't get the benefits.

The was this economist bloke on RTE today, suggesting that the UK on Brexit not only wants it's UK cake, it want's to eat the EU one too.

Switched on bloke this one, he said in 6 months time went the Brits release the harder negotiations have yet to come, and then we have to start finding new trade deals, that Brexit will not happen, either the Tory party will give it up and a bad job, an unwinnable battle, or press on regardless, new election, Labour-led coalition, and whilst Corbyn is no fan of the EU, the party are.

But the emphasis was on the difficulties yet to come, unpicking the UK isolating itself from a rapidly globalising world, and for someone with a position to lose in politics or government to stand up and say it. Loudly so the few remaining Brexiters understand and we can prize their crayons from their cold dead hands....

Sorry we have to be prepared to pay to trade with others? And that is supposed to be a benefit?

Do we pay to trade with the US, China or anywhere else for that matter?

Not sure anyone can argue we are isolating ourselves from anyone, we are just prepared to trade with, wait for it, everyone!

Of course those that espouse the EU as some kind of milk and honey don't get that this is a mature market in almost everything, is it not?

As such I personally don't mind being poorer for any kind of transitional period as long as we are free to elect our own government.

Perhaps I am being unkind here, but to gloss over and give away our national sovereignty for a perceived slice of global trade within a trading block, when the jury is still out on whether globalisation will be here or not in decades to come, strikes me as cavalier at best and foolish at worst.

Freedom comes at a price, the EU was always supposed to be a trading block not some kind of superstate.

And to bastardize a song "I'd rather have a walk on part in the world than a lead roll in a cage."

Not that we would or ever have had a lead roll in the EU have we?

[BrilloPad]

Ye Gods, this whole "Brexit" sub-category seems to be a real "safe space" for CUK's whining Bremoaner community to huddle together within and gurn in unison.
Get over it FFS.......the vote was over 18 months ago. Move on..............seriously..............it is getting embarrassing.

Good work! Throw the Bremoaners the odd bone to keep them over here while the decent folk don't have to put up with them.

[bulltraderpt]

Think of it like wanting to live in Britain but not pay tax nor abide by the laws. It aint going to happen. Europe won't allow it. Why ? because Britain can now undercut Europeans and when they cause unemployment in another European country because they flood the market with cheap goods, they can prevent the people they made unemployed from working and issue visas to Australians instead. Currently after Britain managed to win all the investment banking business Europeans didn't mind because they could simply go and work in London.

You want to access to Europe you abide by it's rules or you stay outside. It is totally naive to think the Europe will allow Britain to walk all over them.

I think that was a better analogy.

However, surely you might be missing one central point, Europeans don't have to trade with us do they?

If they can get products of similar quality or better then they don't have to buy our stuff, it's a more honest relationship is it not?

If what you say is true about us undercutting, surely then that can be applied to other countries regarding the true nature of trading products and services, and as such the EU is attempting to go against the natural order of free market trading. Or am I missing something here?

As to London, that has a competitive over France, Germany and any other European country when it comes to world trade. I don't see any European capital being able to usurp that, but I suppose it may happen, but really...

[BrilloPad]

I think that was a better analogy.

However, surely you might be missing one central point, Europeans don't have to trade with us do they?

If they can get products of similar quality or better then they don't have to buy our stuff, it's a more honest relationship is it not?

If what you say is true about us undercutting, surely then that can be applied to other countries regarding the true nature of trading products and services, and as such the EU is attempting to go against the natural order of free market trading. Or am I missing something here?

As to London, that has a competitive over France, Germany and any other European country when it comes to world trade. I don't see any European capital being able to usurp that, but I suppose it may happen, but really...

The EU is not governed by logical people. They have an ideology. Like religion.

[darmstadt]

The EU is not governed by logical people. They have an ideology. Like religion.

Like May: Theresa May says her Christian faith helps her make difficult decisions 

[woohoo]

Nothing. But the UK has to be prepared to pay for that access, if you are not a member, you don't get the benefits.

The was this economist bloke on RTE today, suggesting that the UK on Brexit not only wants it's UK cake, it want's to eat the EU one too.

Switched on bloke this one, he said in 6 months time went the Brits release the harder negotiations have yet to come, and then we have to start finding new trade deals, that Brexit will not happen, either the Tory party will give it up and a bad job, an unwinnable battle, or press on regardless, new election, Labour-led coalition, and whilst Corbyn is no fan of the EU, the party are.

But the emphasis was on the difficulties yet to come, unpicking the UK isolating itself from a rapidly globalising world, and for someone with a position to lose in politics or government to stand up and say it. Loudly so the few remaining Brexiters understand and we can prize their crayons from their cold dead hands....

I don't agree with much of this. Leaving the EU is an act of embracing the larger world. The EU is the one that has a protectionist market and has done little internationally (apart from France really). It's mostly the US and it's allies that have acted for right or wrong on the international stage.

[BlasterBates]

I don't agree with much of this. Leaving the EU is an act of embracing the larger world. The EU is the one that has a protectionist market and has done little internationally (apart from France really). It's mostly the US and it's allies that have acted for right or wrong on the international stage.

Is it any more protectionist than the US ?

I heard Rees-Mogg going on about the EU's tariffs on clothing so I compared with the US, and guess what, the US had higher tariffs generally on textiles.

As an example the Japanese have invested heavily in the EU and now make up a significant part of the Auto market.

When a British long distance lorry driver spends 30 hours a week in customs trying to get in the EU he won't have much option but to sit out and earn significantly less, because he won't be able to hop on ferry to drive it to China, and that is just one example. Huge numbers of businesses will simply suffer when the UK raises its protectionist barriers.