Will Brexit be a success or failure?

[BrilloPad]

Absolutely agree 100%. The measure of whether Brexit is a success or not will be measured by how much we're in for when the whole house of cards goes Bristols up.
The main reason Tusk is virtually begging the UK to change its mind is that market confidence in the EU is going to take a hit when the next round of Greek bailout negotiations finally happens. The second biggest contributor leaving is going to shake things up a bit, and they know it, and more importantly, fear the consequences.

They survived 2012 and 2015. I reckon 2018 will be fine. 2021 might be tougher.

[MrMarkyMark]

Italy doesn't look too clever in the long term too.

Plus the level of smooth operating (I believe FIFA level) corruption in the EU makes our politicians look like saints.

I've never said which way I voted, or whether I voted at all, on here, but no one could deny the earlier two statements, right?

[original PM]

While Brexit is negotiated and implemented, which is likely to take 5 years, AI will be delivering its transformational effects on our economy and our world of work.

Specialist AIs already do some things better than humans. In about 7 years General AIs (GAIs) are likely to achieve IQ parity with humans, and they will then continue to improve significantly faster than humans. These GAIs are currently hugely energy inefficient compared to humans, but you only need a few Einsteins to dramatically change the world, and their value is inestimable.

We will never be able to declare Brexit a success or failure because there is a bigger tide coming that will swamp its impacts. Brexit is the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Indeed almost like some of us knew...

[sasguru]

Whatever the technology or other changes that happen in the future (and the impact of AI has been vastly over estimated) Brexit can never make things better.
There is no mechanism by which that could happen.

Secondly the effect of Brexit has been, and will be, to strengthen the EU

HTH,BIDI.

[MrMarkyMark]

Indeed almost like some of us knew...

In addition we, in the UK, have a collective wankbank of the worst politicians in history.
We can all be assured of that regardless of whether you voted Brexit, or not.

Real politicians, of the past, would have just gone forward and have been strong, instead we are left with a bunch of limp wristed, ineffectual, clueless idiots.

Rant over

[sasguru]

In addition we, in the UK, have a collective wankbank of the worst politicians in history.
We can all be assured of that regardless of whether you voted Brexit, or not.

Real politicians, of the past, would have just gone forward and have been strong, instead we are left with a bunch of limp wristed, ineffectual, clueless idiots.

Rant over

A people get the politicians they deserve.

[VectraMan]

I think there's a good chance that World War III will happen before Brexit. And then as the few thousand people that are left alive in Northern Europe wander blindly through the smouldering remains of once great nations, the Mordacs and Seanbouys will still be insisting that Brexit was right.

But let's look on the bright side.

[MrMarkyMark]

A people get the politicians they deserve.

Yup, since Bliar, the rot started.

If we had had strong leadership prior, regardless of which way you subsequently voted, we wouldn't be where we are now.

The EU took Cameron for the weak willed pussy whipped fecker he is.
I'm sure old Sam Cam has a fine old time, as probably does the gardener

Anyway, the positive bit is I'm going to go away for a bit.
Enjoy myself not working.
Work and live somewhere else.

That's where I have got to over the last year

TBH its not the vote that's ultimately nailed it for me, its what came after, ho hum

[Mordac]

Italy doesn't look too clever in the long term too.

Plus the level of smooth operating (I believe FIFA level) corruption in the EU makes our politicians look like saints.

I've never said which way I voted, or whether I voted at all, on here, but no one could deny the earlier two statements, right?

Indeed. Greece will be the first, but certainly not the last. Italy, Spain, Portugal, then some of the smaller members. Everybody and his dog will be holding out the begging bowl for Auntie Merkel (assuming it's indeed her in charge when the brown stuff starts really flying). How long the Germans (by which I mean the voters - the politicians will stay loyal to the project until hell freezes over) will continue to flog this dead horse once reality bites is the thorny question, and nobody wants to know the answer.

[Mordac]

They survived 2012 and 2015. I reckon 2018 will be fine. 2021 might be tougher.

You might want to take a look at this:

https://graphics.wsj.com/greece-debt-timeline/

(Note the creditors)

And revise your forecast...

Edit: Based on current repayment record. That's the important bit. Oh, and check the interest rates. That should really scare the tulip out of the EU.