No To Retro Tax – Campaign Against Section 58 Finance Act 2008

[OneUnited]

HMRC are officially rubbish- Adjudicator upholds 90% of complaints | BitterWallet

In her report, the Adjudicator noted that HMRC had put “a lot of effort” into transforming its complaints handling, and complimented the department on “listening to her constructive criticism.”

I take it we were part of the 7% then, they must have put “a lot of effort” into learning the most effective ways to redact

[dezze]

they might be intelligent, doesnt mean they arent MENTAL!

I think I may have used that term at some point in my conversation with them!

The thing is, the information being given by providers is (not surprisingly) 'we're handling it'. Great emphasis was put on the Rangers case (fair enough) so the scheme users thought the victory was the end of it and all is now ok.

A number of guys that are currently or have been on schemes have never been told by their providers that APN's, FN's exist - they were blissfully unaware. I spoke with one guy two days ago and tried to explain APN's to him. He wouldn't accept it's possible and they have to take you to court - and the Rangers case put that to bed. Gave up in the end.

[smalldog]

I think I may have used that term at some point in my conversation with them!

The thing is, the information being given by providers is (not surprisingly) 'we're handling it'. Great emphasis was put on the Rangers case (fair enough) so the scheme users thought the victory was the end of it and all is now ok.

A number of guys that are currently or have been on schemes have never been told by their providers that APN's, FN's exist - they were blissfully unaware. I spoke with one guy two days ago and tried to explain APN's to him. He wouldn't accept it's possible and they have to take you to court - and the Rangers case put that to bed. Gave up in the end.

Well not that I would ever enter another scheme, but anyone entering one should IMHO ask for them to underwrite the scheme against future HMRC action. A legally binding insurance document reviewed and confirmed as legit by a lawyer that will cover ALL costs should HMRC be able to successfully challenge.

[BrilloPad]

Especially for helen7, Mal and anyone else who things we should just roll over, I got this from a friend :-

if any of your members are likely to lose their home as a result of the action being taken ECHR : Rousk v. Sweden Publication : Concerns article one of Human Rights legislation - the right to a family home. The tax payer won as the judge considered that the action taken by the authorities was disproportionate. Found as a result of this article - lawyers debating the rights and wrongs of HMRC's new powers http://www.taxation.co.uk/taxation/A...1/we-need-them

[bananarepublic]

I think I may have used that term at some point in my conversation with them!

The thing is, the information being given by providers is (not surprisingly) 'we're handling it'. Great emphasis was put on the Rangers case (fair enough) so the scheme users thought the victory was the end of it and all is now ok.

A number of guys that are currently or have been on schemes have never been told by their providers that APN's, FN's exist - they were blissfully unaware. I spoke with one guy two days ago and tried to explain APN's to him. He wouldn't accept it's possible and they have to take you to court - and the Rangers case put that to bed. Gave up in the end.

Whether or not the scheme works may well be irrelevant for people affected by APNs. This is because the onus is now on the tax payer to challenge HMRC to get the money back. If your scheme provider has disappeared who is going to pay for this?

I also very much doubt that HMRC will work on the basis of "reverse" follower notices. That is they are hardly going to roll over if someone else wins a similar case and give the APN money back voluntarily.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Whether or not the scheme works may well be irrelevant for people affected by APNs. This is because the onus is now on the tax payer to challenge HMRC to get the money back. If your scheme provider has disappeared who is going to pay for this?

I also very much doubt that HMRC will work on the basis of "reverse" follower notices. That is they are hardly going to roll over if someone else wins a similar case and give the APN money back voluntarily.

There is a section in the guidance that deals with this issue:

If a later case was to significantly change the effect of the relevant judicial decision HMRC will reconsider whether any follower notices which have been issued (and the associated APNs) should still be maintained or withdrawn and modified

[freedomFighter2014]

HMRC customer services don't know what APNs are!

I'm on a call right now with HMRC, holding as usual, and the lady at the other end doesn't know what DOTAS or APNs are. Is there a number I can call where someone would know - the one on their website doesn't seem to be doing the trick.
03002003300

Thanks

[smalldog]

I'm on a call right now with HMRC, holding as usual, and the lady at the other end doesn't know what DOTAS or APNs are. Is there a number I can call where someone would know - the one on their website doesn't seem to be doing the trick.
03002003300

Thanks

you can try contacting Brian New the contact listed on the policy document, although he stopped replying to me when I asked about guidance on bankruptcy being reversed should we succeed at tribunal!

[smalldog]

There is a section in the guidance that deals with this issue:

If a later case was to significantly change the effect of the relevant judicial decision HMRC will reconsider whether any follower notices which have been issued (and the associated APNs) should still be maintained or withdrawn and modified

Yes but as we all know, HMRC are a bunch of C**TS, so there is no way they would back down unless they are told to do so. Who is in a position to tell them, FTT?

[dezze]

Whether or not the scheme works may well be irrelevant for people affected by APNs. This is because the onus is now on the tax payer to challenge HMRC to get the money back. If your scheme provider has disappeared who is going to pay for this?

I also very much doubt that HMRC will work on the basis of "reverse" follower notices. That is they are hardly going to roll over if someone else wins a similar case and give the APN money back voluntarily.

Totally agree! Not sure exactly what the relevance to my post was thou?