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Originally posted by Boycie View PostDoes anyone know what happens next then? The amendment was withdrawn dispite lots of agreement about how awful retrospection is and Gauke just reading out the usual pre-prepared puff piece. Now what?Comment
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Originally posted by mrkitchen View PostWhy did he withdraw it, there was plenty of support, only Gauke opposed.
Can't quite believe the chip fat however....There's an elephant wondering around here...Comment
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Gauke was wrong
He said it only impacted those involved, what about families etc, 3,000 individuals (not 2000 as Nigel Mills stated). there is something badly wrong here, it looks as if in the current financial situation that the Government are putting HMRC above the law of the land, condoning their actions which is totally beyond the pale. I was not impressed with the way NM spoke about NC4 he seemed nervous and did not deliver the facts coherently...maybe its just my suspicious mind..no doubt Gauke bought the first round at the bar tonite.
A Now that further posts have explained how the process works I feel happier and well done to those in the Committee that supported usLast edited by OldITGit; 27 June 2012, 05:50.Comment
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Originally posted by OldITGit View PostHe said it only impacted those involved, what about families etc, 3,000 individuals (not 2000 as Nigel Mills stated). there is something badly wrong here, it looks as if in the current financial situation that the Government are putting HMRC above the law of the land, condoning their actions which is totally beyond the pale. I was not impressed with the way NM spoke about NC4 he seemed nervous and did not deliver the facts coherently...maybe its just my suspicious mind..no doubt Gake bought the first round at the bar tonite.Comment
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Originally posted by OldITGit View PostHe said it only impacted those involved, what about families etc, 3,000 individuals (not 2000 as Nigel Mills stated). there is something badly wrong here, it looks as if in the current financial situation that the Government are putting HMRC above the law of the land, condoning their actions which is totally beyond the pale. I was not impressed with the way NM spoke about NC4 he seemed nervous and did not deliver the facts coherently...maybe its just my suspicious mind..no doubt Gake bought the first round at the bar tonite.
BTW, 2000 is not the number that Mills had from us. I'll leave you to think where that number came from. But he knows that. And yes I can see why you think he came across as a bit nervous. But I think that worked. Didn't hear people laughing at what he said.Comment
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Victory
There can be no doubt that today we scored some points - our amendment was a probing one - to elicit some more nonsense from Gauke, and a. he didnt even mention his previous standard line of the courts have decided b. tried to say that we are all loaded (!!!) and c. stated that when HMRC open an enquiry into your tax return you must put all you activities on pause, sell your house, and assume automatically that you owe HMRC a lot of money (many tax enquiries result in REBATES)
Those were his arguments, and I have to say they are all extraordinarily weak, and easily shot to smithereens. We will see the transcript tomorrow, and I am of the firm view that Gauke has just dug his hole a tad deeper, especially given his 2008 objections to the very same matter.
The good news is that we have reached an important milestone - something to build upon. Our plight has been aired, noone spoke against us EXCEPT Gauke; several Tories supported us, and Fabian Hamilton was brilliant.
I see this is as a very positive day - perhaps because I understood that a probing amendment is simply meant, at this early stage of our progressive campaign, to elicit views from people, and air the matter publicly.
I wouldnt be surprised if the matter is raised again at the Report Stage of the Bill - I understand that some MP's who are not on the Finance Bill would prefer this anyway, thus giving them an oppo to speak in our favour, all with the advance benefit of knowing Gauke's untenably weak position.
So, although we are all a tad pi()ed off that chip fat and point of order people delayed matters, we did achieve this initial objective - 3 months ago this wasn't even a possibility.
Well done Whitehouse. Well done NTRT. What do you want us to do next?Join the campaign at
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Originally posted by StellaFan View PostWas it Jacob Rees-Mogg who was very vocal about his opposition to retrospection?
As for the interpretation of events, are we saying that withdrawing the clause means they'll take it out for further review (before reinserting amended or not) at some later stage? Great stuff all round and hats off to the NTRT campaign.Last edited by the great escape; 26 June 2012, 20:57.Comment
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Mills
Mills was a bit weak, he raised a few good points, but honestly I think I could of done a better job. 5 mins debate then a quick with draw, It all seems like a Gauke / Mills stitch up to me. I wish we had that big Geordie fighting our corner that was on earlier, everybody seem tulip scared of him....Comment
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a probing amendment is always withdrawn
Originally posted by Corrian View PostMills was a bit weak, he raised a few good points, but honestly I think I could of done a better job. 5 mins debate then a quick with draw, It all seems like a Gauke / Mills stitch up to me. I wish we had that big Geordie fighting our corner that was on earlier, everybody seem tulip scared of him....Join the campaign at
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