BN66 - Court of Appeal and beyond

[BolshieBastard]

Well, it's not totally misguided. the history books are full of people who lost at every hurdle except that last one. It's not the first losers that count, it's the last winner.

Morale is low but logic remains the same arbitrater. If you have enough to settle and want shot of the worry, put the amount in a CTD and forget the case, do not settle.

If you do not have the money to settle, so not settle because you can't. You are tied into a fight.

By all means pursue avenues such as litigation against MP if you feel they can bear fruit, but do not settle with HMRC.

If you think HMRC will negotiate when we're on the back foot due to a drubbing in the CoA then you're living on Mars as far as I can see.

Not when taking on Parliament and a budget finance bill they havent. Not one.

Yes, higher courts have overturned previous court decisions but show me a single one where a court has overturned a budget finance bill. You cant, I cant because it isnt (whichever way you cast it) allowed.

[sjw]

Am I going mad here?

Does anyone seriously think HMRC are going to start offering deals when they've just thrashed us a second time in court?

Someone please tell me what bargaining chips we have because I'm buggered if I know.

No i don't think HMRC are going to say - oh alright then, easy mistake, no interest to pay. But they might, just might, meet us halfway if we agree not to take it any further - they then get to free up their diminishing resource to go after other 'offenders'.

Let's face it - we ain't Goldman and we aint Vodaphone because if we were this would have been thrashed out in a backroom years ago and the rest of the world would only know about it through Private Eye. Sorry if that sounds pessimistic - I prefer to think of it as pragmatic.

And anyhow - what's the harm in asking. It's not exactly going to weaken our case is it given we've now had 4 judges rule against us.

As for buying a CTD - all well and good but it isn't closure - and how do we know they wont change the rules once again and screw us even further?

[Cantthinkof1]

Greetings DR

Am I going mad here?

Does anyone seriously think HMRC are going to start offering deals when they've just thrashed us a second time in court?

Someone please tell me what bargaining chips we have because I'm buggered if I know.

DR, I think you are simply getting a true mix of reactions, which is quite understandable. I would also bet that those people that have already made provision for the debt are those that are probably keen to go 'all the way', generally speaking.

Personally, and I do appreciate that this is just my naive thoughts on the matter, that if HMRC are on a bonus system linked to revenue, then they may be keen to at least listen..

However, if we do not get the ok to go to the SC, then YES, I guess no chance!!!!

[BolshieBastard]

Am I going mad here?

Does anyone seriously think HMRC are going to start offering deals when they've just thrashed us a second time in court?

Someone please tell me what bargaining chips we have because I'm buggered if I know.

If you dont ask, you dont know or dont get.

One should never discount any option.

[Morlock]

Today's Anagram...

No i don't think HMRC are going to say - oh alright then, easy mistake, no interest to pay. But they might, just might, meet us halfway if we agree not to take it any further - they then get to free up their diminishing resource to go after other 'offenders'.
And anyhow - what's the harm in asking. It's not exactly going to weaken our case is it given we've now had 4 judges rule against us.

Rearrange the following words to make a well-known phrase:
Land. Cloud. Cuckoo.

[Leyther70]

Am I going mad here?

Does anyone seriously think HMRC are going to start offering deals when they've just thrashed us a second time in court?

Someone please tell me what bargaining chips we have because I'm buggered if I know.

Given the SC route is still available then there does still exist the possibility of HMRC losing, this in itself may bring them to the table, albeit they may well come high in confidence in the light of their victories.

I think people just want to hear from MP if they think there is any chance of a deal, if no chance then I agree we may as well go all the way, however if there is a chance then people want to explore that avenue.

[sjw]

Rearrange the following words to make a well-known phrase:
Land. Cloud. Cuckoo.

Hope the sand is warm enough for your head.

[not-a-penny]

The fat lady has yet to sing ...

they can negotiate with me over my dead body.

The CoA was a process to check that the HC judge was correct in points of law. Within their remit they decided he was, I suspect unless he made a massive error in law, they would all agree to support him in this.

The SC is a different matter. If we fail in the SC I'd be looking for partners to setup a fighting fund to ECHR.

I'd rather lawyers got their hands on my money than the scum at HMRC.

I'm with you on this one Taura. The process is not finished and so far none of these legal clowns have justified the RETROSPECTIVE nature of bn66. I'm in this for a massive six fugure sum and want to see the legal process through. We've been royally shafted by HMRC, politicians and so far the justice system and yes, it's a head f**k but the alternative is no better.

Good luck with the settlement strategy, I'm up for a fight and want to see this through ...

[moira under the stairs]

I'm with you on this one Taura. The process is not finished and so far none of these legal clowns have justified the RETROSPECTIVE nature of bn66. I'm in this for a massive six fugure sum and want to see the legal process through. We've been royally shafted by HMRC, politicians and so far the justice system and yes, it's a head f**k but the alternative is no better.

Good luck with the settlement strategy, I'm up for a fight and want to see this through ...

ditto

[sjw]

I'm with you on this one Taura. The process is not finished and so far none of these legal clowns have justified the RETROSPECTIVE nature of bn66. I'm in this for a massive six fugure sum and want to see the legal process through. We've been royally shafted by HMRC, politicians and so far the justice system and yes, it's a head f**k but the alternative is no better.

Good luck with the settlement strategy, I'm up for a fight and want to see this through ...

Like I said previously - good luck - I do wish everyone the best if they want to carry on. And I sincerely hope that you do win because we are in the right, always have been.

But my point is this - I don't want to carry on anymore, and neither do quite a few others judging by the number of pm's I've recieved. That's our choice and Montpelier owe it to us given the amount of money in 'fees' they have been paid to pursue our wishes.