BN66 - Court of Appeal and beyond

[lucozade]

An interesting angle of attack

As the previous poster questioned it. Yes there is an Ombudsman, "Parliamentary Ombudsman".

How to complain to HM Revenue & Customs : Directgov - Money, tax and benefits

Apparently we can ask our own MPs to refer our cases to them.

Perhaps it's about time a dossier is produced that we can send out to our MPs and ask for it to referred.

Hmmmmmm

[Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing]

As the previous poster questioned it. Yes there is an Ombudsman, "Parliamentary Ombudsman".

How to complain to HM Revenue & Customs : Directgov - Money, tax and benefits

Apparently we can ask our own MPs to refer our cases to them.

Perhaps it's about time a dossier is produced that we can send out to our MPs and ask for it to referred.

Hmmmmmm

If needed, this too can become so. Be aware that this route potentially takes longer than the timeframe between now and the Tax Courts just in case anybody has forgotten about them. So, certain things in a certain order. Besides, your MP might be even more enthused to refer your case to the Ombudsmen once they get the true and clear perspective on the matter. So seeing them first to put the salient points to them is in many ways the right start point even to go down the Ombudsmen route.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Prep for meetings with MPs

I have prepared some salient points for meetings with MPs. This might also help with drafting letters.

PM or email me if you want a copy.

donkeyrhubarb AT rocketmail.com

[Toocan]

This is the last train, will you be on it?

We would like the government to resolve this situation by changing section 58 of Finance Act 2008. However, they could change it by ministerial order. HMRC is run by the commissioners and they do what they are told by the Treasury. If this happens then it could be that they “write off” the tax for everyone who has contacted them.

That means that if you don’t contact them, then you could still have the bill to pay.
(What, were you expecting HMRC to be fair?! )

You really do need to write to your MP. HMRC already know your name and address so you really have nothing to lose. If for some reason you don’t want to write to your MP, then you can write to David Gauke directly at the Treasury.

For contact details – see this post:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...ml#post1503161

When you are writing, be sure to tell them how it will affect you – remember that Closure Notices issued by HMRC do not include Interest so the bill could be significantly higher. Your scheme provider can give you a number for this.

As to what else to write – there have been some excellent post on here. Obtain The Donkey’s list here:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...ml#post1508726


And how about Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing erudition here:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...ml#post1508507

If you want to ask for something specifc, try this:

"Amendment to the finance bill so that any claim made prior to March 2008 will be judged according to the law as it stood prior to the amendments made by section 58 Finance Act 2008"

There isn’t going to be anything mentioned about this in the budget statement – and probably not in the draft Finance Bill. But it is when the draft bill is published that we must ask for an amendment to be made.

Please don’t assume that other people’s letters and visits to MPs will be enough – it won’t be, and you may be missed out if it does produce a result. If at all possible arrange to visit your MP, if you can’t do that then write a letter.

It is now absolutely clear that HMRC have run rings around the legislature with section 58. Your MP will not be happy about that when they find out.

MAKE SURE THEY FIND OUT

[Dieselpower]

Does anybody have a list of the most useful/influential MP's to contact?

I suggest that people nearby those areas could either take out adverts in local papers or leaflet high streets urging people write to MP regarding retrospecitive taxation. In middleclass area's I am sure we would find sympathy as it is something that is likely to affect them in future.

Also, how about bulk printing up an 'information leaflet' giving a history of BN66 and key facts in an easy to understand way. This could be a good way of raising awareness and presenting the clear facts.

I thought you had been banned from this thread on account of your ill-advised and preposterous comments about people "investing wisely"?

[Donnie Darko]

A few of us where I work are considering giving this a punt
Budget Note 66 (BN66) – The Point Of No Return

I know there has been negative comments here but we are so up tulip creek what is there to lose?

They say HMRC have already settled one person at 30% off the tax with no interest to avoid it going to tribunal. Most of us could probably live with that.

[Dieselpower]

A few of us where I work are considering giving this a punt
Budget Note 66 (BN66) – The Point Of No Return

I know there has been negative comments here but we are so up tulip creek what is there to lose?

They say HMRC have already settled one person at 30% off the tax with no interest to avoid it going to tribunal. Most of us could probably live with that.

I'd like to see evidence of that. Or did the "man in question" have to sign an NDA, no doubt? Strange also that current HMRC rulebook states explicitly that deals are simply not possible in any circumstances. Very kind of them to completely change their rule book just for one poor chap. And ask yourself this: if HMRC did agree that deal, and your circumstances are similar, then you wouldn't need someone to argue your case - you would get the very same treatment automatically from HMRC, would you not - because the chap you refer to has set a precedent. So you could just call Alan Brannigan and ask him for the same deal.

All seems a tad odd to me, if you don't mind me saying so.

And please rest assured Donnie - the main battle has not even begun yet. Hopefully you will see your MP anyway?

cheers

[Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing]

Everyone has to make their own decision

A few of us where I work are considering giving this a punt
Budget Note 66 (BN66) – The Point Of No Return

I know there has been negative comments here but we are so up tulip creek what is there to lose?

They say HMRC have already settled one person at 30% off the tax with no interest to avoid it going to tribunal. Most of us could probably live with that.

All I would say is who are "they". I would also refer you to this extract from their website (my emphasis):

"It is our view that in most cases a compelling argument can be put that the arrangement was a sham and a true analysis of it would show it to be an employment arrangement"


HMRC confirmed when challenged in open court during the HC that they did not consider it "a sham".

And as for the Monopoly Board Q&A's, well I'd like to know where the ones are that say "if you think there's any easy way out then please tell us to go and FO".

I like the graphics though. Man in grey suit with Windsor tie knot (guess that's them or HMRC or both) then what looks like a Luftwaffe map of the IoM used in WW2 to direct German bombers to turn right to hit Liverpool, then some pervert photo of "Downing St" taken by a tourist when its 100 Parliament St they needed a picture of.

And which pr*ck would rip the "help" key off a keyboard to ask for it unless they're a mute? You press the damn thing!

But I do like the "Point of no return" logo. Makes you wanna sh*t your pants. Guess spell checker screwed up "The Point of Tax Returns" to get that logo.

Anyways, each to their own. But at least the application button is apt - "Submit Enquiry".

Do as you please. I for one am going to have a little walk for a week or so. After all, it's been 4 years, so I can't see why I'd be rushing into anything without knowing where I'm going. Spring is a nice season and if "they" are all that good then I'm sure whatever amazing deal they have with this and HMRC, you can wait a while. After all, I can buy a bloody fridge and have 14 days cooling off before I commit.

What was it someone once said about all of this? If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Here endeth this lesson.

[Toocan]

A few of us where I work are considering giving this a punt
Budget Note 66 (BN66) – The Point Of No Return

I know there has been negative comments here but we are so up tulip creek what is there to lose?

They say HMRC have already settled one person at 30% off the tax with no interest to avoid it going to tribunal. Most of us could probably live with that.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...ml#post1507986

Be careful - if they believe in their 'fix' then they should be happy with a success fee rather than an upfront fee.

[Tax_shouldnt_be_taxing]

BN66 Website

A few of us where I work are considering giving this a punt
Budget Note 66 (BN66) – The Point Of No Return

I know there has been negative comments here but we are so up tulip creek what is there to lose?

They say HMRC have already settled one person at 30% off the tax with no interest to avoid it going to tribunal. Most of us could probably live with that.

Most websites that have a real infrastructure behind it also have a "Contact Us" button or an email address or the names of the "Consultants" and their bios. I note that at the bottom is says who owns the Website, but that is not the same as who operates the business behind it. Didn't bn66.co.uk "disappear" for a while?

As DP suggested, if someone has done a deal with HMRC on a 30% settlement then that's a first since HMRC switched to a "no deals" position in 2007. And to use their own charter, taxpayers need equal and fair treatment. The Ombudsmen website refers to this.

So lets say DR was the one and he got a settlement of say 30%, then let's get on the phone to Mr. B and demand the same. Why need bs66.co.uk to help us? In fact, let's get on the phone to Br. B tomorrow and do just that. After all, he's given us his direct dial to discuss this. Happy days!

OK, so as I was and back to reality, but that map of the IoM, I mean... get a new webmaster. What were you thinking?