BN66 - Round 2 (Court of Appeal)

[ALMAC]

Mass exodus

Maybe we should all leave and encourage others to do so and teach this country a lesson.

Perhaps other countries may appreciate the efforts of those who try to to generate work and income that can be spent in their native environments, supporting their own economies instead of punishing the efforts of those who take the time to get out of their beds in the morning.

I can see this ending with the old joke that used to float around about the 5 major stages of a project.

Stage 3 - "Search for the guilty"
Stage 4 - "Punishment of the innocent"
Stage 5 - "Decoration of all who those who took no part"

HMRC = Bar stewards the lot of them

[PlaneSailing]

Prejudice.

Lords criticise government's tax strategy
by Jaimie Kaffash

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17 Jun 2011


Read more: Lords criticise government's tax strategy - 17 Jun 2011 - Accountancy Age
Accountancy Age - Finance, business and accountancy news, features and resources. Claim your free subscription today.THE GOVERNMENT'S tax strategy is "inconsistent and overly complex", a House of Lords report on the Finance Bill has claimed.

The House of Lords economic affairs committee welcomed the government's consultation on tax issues, but said it was inconsistently implemented, citing the oil and gas tax announced in the Budget.

Further reading

Treasury committee report highlights complexity of Budget measures
CIOT criticises disguised remuneration legislation It cited Frank Haskew, head of the ICAEW tax faculty, who said the disguised remuneration legislation - which was designed to tackle offshore trusts - was "the worst I have ever seen". The Lords concluded that this problem was tackled too late and was "excessively long and complex". They called on the government to consult earlier.

The Lords also called on ministers to "develop a strategy to tackle tax evasion" ensure that its corporation tax reforms "do not accidentally disadvantage particular groups, for example small and medium-sized businesses".

Committee chair Lord MacGregor (pictured) said: "The government is on the right track with its commitment to a new approach to tax policymaking which sees it consulting widely about changes before putting them into practice.

"If the government sticks to its commitments, the UK will have a better tax system with better laws which are better scrutinised. But there are lessons to be learned from this introduction of the new system which the committee urges the government to follow."



Read more: Lords criticise government's tax strategy - 17 Jun 2011 - Accountancy Age
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If you were on an EBT scheme, like the ones stopped in this legislation, would you
would you be worse off than being on the Montpelier scheme?

I assume that they were broadly similar in the amount of take home pay, so Hartnett cannot
possibly claim that our scheme was 'more aggressive' (whatever that means).

Why was our change applied retrospectively and this one not?

[geoff from contracta IOM]

If you were on an EBT scheme, like the ones stopped in this legislation, would you
would you be worse off than being on the Montpelier scheme?

I assume that they were broadly similar in the amount of take home pay, so Hartnett cannot
possibly claim that our scheme was 'more aggressive' (whatever that means).

Why was our change applied retrospectively and this one not?

They love this kind of terminology " agressive " and " complex " the only words that are applicable here are legal or illegal, no waffle, no statements, no BS just the application of the letter of the law. I think the problem is they are so crap at writing legislation they keep getting their pants pulled down

[DonkeyRhubarb]

They love this kind of terminology " agressive " and " complex " the only words that are applicable here are legal or illegal, no waffle, no statements, no BS just the application of the letter of the law. I think the problem is they are so crap at writing legislation they keep getting their pants pulled down

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Gonzo]

I have been offered a role working in NZ. My husband is Kiwi but since we have lived here for the last 20 years; I never applied for residency.

Do you know if the BN66 tax inquiry could affect my status applying for foriegn residency??

I can't see that it would.

NZ will want a criminal record report when you apply for residency but if the police have not been in touch with you over this (or anything else) then I don't think the tax investigation would cause any issues on its own.

EDIT: I should explain, I am someone that has been through the NZ immigration process.

[ready_to_leave]

History does seem to rhyme.

Sorry for the long post, but I was reading Hayek's "road to serfdom" this the weekend and this really struck a chord with how I view my current situation in the UK following BN66 and the social "fairness" arguments of the Government and HMRC. Even though he was writing in the 30s about the rise of Nazism out of Socialism it seems very apt:

" Nothing distinguishes more clearly a free country from a country under arbitrary government than the observance in the former of the great principles known as the Rule of Law. Stripped of technicalities this means that government in all its actions is bound by rules fixed and announced beforehand – rules that make it possible to foresee with fair certainty how the authority will use its coercive powers in given circumstances and to plan one’s individual affairs on the basis of this knowledge. Thus, within the known rules of the game, the individual is free to pursue his personal ends, certain that the powers of government will not be used deliberately to frustrate his efforts.
Socialist economic planning necessarily involves the very opposite of this. The planning authority cannot tie itself down in advance to general rules which prevent arbitrariness.

When the government has to decide how many pigs are to be raised or how many buses are to run, which coal-mines are to operate, or at what prices shoes are to be sold, these decisions cannot be settled for long periods in advance. They depend inevitably on the circumstances of the moment, and in making such decisions it will always be necessary to balance, one against the other, the interests of various persons and groups.
In the end somebody’s views will have to decide whose interests are more important, and these views must become part of the law of the land. Hence the familiar fact that the more the state ‘plans’, the more difficult planning becomes for the individual."

He goes on to say:
"The Rule of Law, the absence of legal privileges of particular people designated by authority, is what safeguards that equality before the law which is the opposite of arbitrary government. It is significant that socialists (and Nazis) have always protested against ‘merely’ formal justice, that they have objected to law which had no views on how well off particular people ought to be, that they have demanded a ‘socialization of the law’ and attacked the independence of judges.

In a planned society the law must legalize what to all intents and purposes remains arbitrary action. If the law says that such a board or authority may do what it pleases, anything that board or authority does is legal – but its actions are certainly not subject to the Rule of Law. By giving the government unlimited powers the most arbitrary rule can be made legal; and in this way a democracy may set up the most complete despotism imaginable."

[centurian]

NZ will want a criminal record report when you apply for residency but if the police have not been in touch with you over this (or anything else) .

Not all criminal convictions are brought by the police. Trading standards & the benefits agency often bring cases that result in a criminal record.

That said - I don't think this is a criminal matter.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Off topic

Does anyone working in banking have access to an edition of the UK Clearings Directory 2009 or earlier?

I'm trying to identify a sort-code stamped on the back of a copy of a cheque from November 2009.

I know it's Lloyds/TSB because it starts with "30-" but I can't find the actual code with any of the on-line search tools eg. Sort Code, Sorting Code, UK, England, Banks

I'm guessing it was valid in 2009 but is no longer in use.

Please PM me if you can help.

Thanks
DR

[Vallah]

Does anyone working in banking have access to an edition of the UK Clearings Directory 2009 or earlier?

I'm trying to identify a sort-code stamped on the back of a copy of a cheque from November 2009.

I know it's Lloyds/TSB because it starts with "30-" but I can't find the actual code with any of the on-line search tools eg. Sort Code, Sorting Code, UK, England, Banks

I'm guessing it was valid in 2009 but is no longer in use.

Please PM me if you can help.

Thanks
DR

PM sent mate.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

PM sent mate.

You're a star Sir!