BN66 - JR Judgement Day

[xantamisch]

Ramblings.........

lurked for a while. Not sure I've got much to add, but here goes:

- thank f**k I was only in the scheme for a year or so
- sorry to all of you much worse affected than me
- i am increasingly feeling we've been sold up the swanny without a paddle - looks as though the various scheme providers knew the schemes were under investigation, but never told me / us
- what next? Unless you go fully PAYE is anything safe?
- I hate New Labour with a passion even greater than the passion I used to hate them with (that's a lot of passion);
- there's no point saving or owning anything - if you do, they'll have it one way or another, or at least their policies will mean its worth sod all
- think I might move somewhere a bit more liberal - understand China is nice this time of year!
- fight goes on .......
- thanks DR and co.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle7005980.ece

some of the comments on here seem quite supportive but could of course be from scheme users........

[elpinar]

on a lighter note.....

Get me a rope before Mandelson wipes us all out

Jeremy Clarkson



I’ve given the matter a great deal of thought all week, and I’m afraid I’ve decided that it’s no good putting Peter Mandelson in a prison. I’m afraid he will have to be tied to the front of a van and driven round the country until he isn’t alive any more.

He announced last week that middle-class children will simply not be allowed into the country’s top universities even if they have 4,000 A-levels, because all the places will be taken by Albanians and guillemots and whatever other stupid bandwagon the conniving idiot has leapt onto in the meantime.

I hate Peter Mandelson. I hate his fondness for extremely pale blue jeans and I hate that preposterous moustache he used to sport in the days when he didn’t bother trying to cover up his left-wing fanaticism. I hate the way he quite literally lords it over us even though he’s resigned in disgrace twice, and now holds an important decision-making job for which he was not elected. Mostly, though, I hate him because his one-man war on the bright and the witty and the successful means that half my friends now seem to be taking leave of their senses.

There’s talk of emigration in the air. It’s everywhere I go. Parties. Work. In the supermarket. My daughter is working herself half to death to get good grades at GSCE and can’t see the point because she won’t be going to university, because she doesn’t have a beak or flippers or a qualification in washing windscreens at the lights. She wonders, often, why we don’t live in America.

Then you have the chaps and chapesses who can’t stand the constant raids on their wallets and their privacy. They can’t understand why they are taxed at 50% on their income and then taxed again for driving into the nation’s capital. They can’t understand what happened to the hunt for the weapons of mass destruction. They can’t understand anything. They see the Highway Wombles in those brand new 4x4s that they paid for, and they see the M4 bus lane and they see the speed cameras and the community support officers and they see the Albanians stealing their wheelbarrows and nothing can be done because it’s racist. And they see Alistair Darling handing over £4,350 of their money to not sort out the banking crisis that he doesn’t understand because he’s a small-town solicitor, and they see the stupid war on drugs and the war on drink and the war on smoking and the war on hunting and the war on fun and the war on scientists and the obsession with the climate and the price of train fares soaring past £1,000 and the Guardian power-brokers getting uppity about one shot baboon and not uppity at all about all the dead soldiers in Afghanistan, and how they got rid of Blair only to find the lying twerp is now going to come back even more powerful than ever, and they think, “I’ve had enough of this. I’m off.”

It’s a lovely idea, to get out of this stupid, Fairtrade, Brown-stained, Mandelson- skewed, equal-opportunities, multicultural, carbon-neutral, trendily left, regionally assembled, big-government, trilingual, mosque-drenched, all-the-pigs-are-equal, property-is-theft hellhole and set up shop somewhere else. But where?

You can’t go to France because you need to complete 17 forms in triplicate every time you want to build a greenhouse, and you can’t go to Switzerland because you will be reported to your neighbours by the police and subsequently shot in the head if you don’t sweep your lawn properly, and you can’t go to Italy because you’ll soon tire of waking up in the morning to find a horse’s head in your bed because you forgot to give a man called Don a bundle of used notes for “organising” a plumber.

You can’t go to Australia because it’s full of things that will eat you, you can’t go to New Zealand because they don’t accept anyone who is more than 40 and you can’t go to Monte Carlo because they don’t accept anyone who has less than 40 mill. And you can’t go to Spain because you’re not called Del and you weren’t involved in the Walthamstow blag. And you can’t go to Germany ... because you just can’t.

The Caribbean sounds tempting, but there is no work, which means that one day, whether you like it or not, you’ll end up like all the other expats, with a nose like a burst beetroot, wondering if it’s okay to have a small sharpener at 10 in the morning. And, as I keep explaining to my daughter, we can’t go to America because if you catch a cold over there, the health system is designed in such a way that you end up without a house. Or dead.

Canada’s full of people pretending to be French, South Africa’s too risky, Russia’s worse and everywhere else is too full of snow, too full of flies or too full of people who want to cut your head off on the internet. So you can dream all you like about upping sticks and moving to a country that doesn’t help itself to half of everything you earn and then spend the money it gets on bus lanes and advertisements about the dangers of salt. But wherever you go you’ll wind up an alcoholic or dead or bored or in a cellar, in an orange jumpsuit, gently wetting yourself on the web. All of these things are worse than being persecuted for eating a sandwich at the wheel.

I see no reason to be miserable. Yes, Britain now is worse than it’s been for decades, but the lunatics who’ve made it so ghastly are on their way out. Soon, they will be back in Hackney with their South African nuclear-free peace polenta. And instead the show will be run by a bloke whose dad has a wallpaper shop and possibly, terrifyingly, a twerp in Belgium whose fruitless game of hunt-the-WMD has netted him £15m on the lecture circuit.

So actually I do see a reason to be miserable. Which is why I think it’s a good idea to tie Peter Mandelson to a van. Such an act would be cruel and barbaric and inhuman. But it would at least cheer everyone up a bit.

[SantaClaus]

lurked for a while. Not sure I've got much to add, but here goes:

- thank f**k I was only in the scheme for a year or so
- sorry to all of you much worse affected than me
- i am increasingly feeling we've been sold up the swanny without a paddle - looks as though the various scheme providers knew the schemes were under investigation, but never told me / us
- what next? Unless you go fully PAYE is anything safe?
- I hate New Labour with a passion even greater than the passion I used to hate them with (that's a lot of passion);
- there's no point saving or owning anything - if you do, they'll have it one way or another, or at least their policies will mean its worth sod all
- think I might move somewhere a bit more liberal - understand China is nice this time of year!
- fight goes on .......
- thanks DR and co.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle7005980.ece

some of the comments on here seem quite supportive but could of course be from scheme users........

The more people who post comments, the more the Times will sit up and take note.

They may even twig this is a serious issue and a threat to everyone's liberty.

[DonkeyRhubarb]

Bully Boy Tactics

The appeals process will shortly be put in motion, and we've got PwC's case coming up in March. I, along with others, will continue in the background to dig up evidence to support our case.

However...

Our primary concern now has got to be vigilence for any stunts HMRC may try to pull. For once, I don't expect them to sit on their big fat arses. They have already demonstrated that they don't follow due process, so I am expecting some bully boy tactics to try and force people to roll over.

Let's all stand together and be ready to fight them on the beaches.

[helen7]

It could now be a good time to get more press coverage on the prospects of retrospective tax legislation.

If One of the papers picked this up as a major issue, it could well be an election swinger.

I cannot imagine any working person (I think thats about 1 in 4 people now) would vote for a goverment that introduces retrospective tax changes.

[Tuntun]

I just received this email...


Thanks for your backdated taxes. Much appreciated.

The left-handed, large, muslim, lesbian solidarity movement need that money
for their cultural awareness centre in Brixton, you know.

[smalldog]

Agreed. I went back to Ltd Co (outside IR35) last year when all this started getting painful, and would have been ready to do so several years earlier if HMRC had done the decent thing and closed our loophole prospectively. Instead, they just watched for years and rubbed their hands together as the pot of available cash grew and grew until they were ready to slaughter us and grab it !

Keep up the fight . . . .

thats what sticks in my throat, had they said sorry guys it dont work and were shutting it down immediately back in 2002 I would have gone back to Ltd co. and my exposure would have been manageable. I would have said fair enough, worth a shot...but now its beyond payable

and this is the bit to me that I feel has breached my human rights...

the press is also reporting the treasury will get figures of between £100m and £300m quid because of this....dont they realise they will only yield a fraction of this, people dont have it, they are assuming monies on the CN's are available and just sloshing around in peoples bank accounts....and at what cost to the scheme users....

I would have liked the judge to get justification on the basis of monies HMRC could realise before passing judgement...For example get HMRC to do an audit on all scheme users to see how much they could secure...if that figure comes back as say £10m is it worth setting such a potentially economically damaging precedent by allowing this to happen? I suspect not...the loss of business corporation tax to foreign lands would outweigh the monies realised...

[KiwiGuy]

The appeals process will shortly be put in motion, and we've got PwC's case coming up in March. I, along with others, will continue in the background to dig up evidence to support our case.

However...

Our primary concern now has got to be vigilence for any stunts HMRC may try to pull. For once, I don't expect them to sit on their big fat arses. They have already demonstrated that they don't follow due process, so I am expecting some bully boy tactics to try and force people to roll over.

Let's all stand together and be ready to fight them on the beaches.

Hear hear,

the more i think about it the more i get angry, wife doesnt understand, ive just sold my house so now going to rent and not re-buy, im investing the money i owe (basically the money from the house) into some good looking stocks, at least i might as well risk it, either the scum take it all away and i end up with nothing or the investments come through and i end up with enough to provide for my family

on with the fight, im NOT GIVING INmadmadmad

[smalldog]

Jchr??

just wondering what now happens with the JCHR, is that now dead in the water, will they just align with the judgement??

[KiwiGuy]

just wondering what now happens with the JCHR, is that now dead in the water, will they just align with the judgement??

high court? Euro Court? then God?