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Loss of earnings as a contractor detailed in an insurance claim

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    Loss of earnings as a contractor detailed in an insurance claim

    Free legal advice - worth what it costs I guess.

    Here's a scenario.

    Contractor A begins a new gig on 3rd December 2007.

    It's a beauty of a contract - between Contractor A's Ltd Co direct to a consultancy. The first 12 days services per month are guaranteed on a generous retainer, with any further days required by the client to be charged at a bonzer daily rate, up to a limit of 20 billable days in the month. In other words, in an optimal month Contractor A's LTD can bill for the retainer + 8 days, in a thin month, just the retainer.

    Before the end of the first month in the gig - Contractor A gets smashed off the road by a useless French trucker on the M1. Contractor A is very lucky his ar$e survived the crash, but less so when it comes to his choice of insurance company! The accident causes Contractor A to miss 2 days of his lovely new contract. Because this is December, with Christmas in the way, there are not enough working days left in the month. Contractor A is obliged to pro-rate the 12-day retainer, only charging for 10 days due to having been unfit for work at no fault of the client.

    Fast forward 18 months. Well maybe not "fast". Contractor A has finally got back 95% of the value of the written off vehicle, reimbursement for the hire car etc.

    Unfortunately, the concept of retainers and lost earnings for a contractor has completely blown the mind of the loss adjuster - maybe understandably, maybe not.

    The amount being claimed is 1200 for the 2 days; he is offering Contractor A an ultimatum - in return for 50% of the lost billable amount he wants to see "3 years worth of P60s or any other document confirming tax paid in the last 3 years" (ie well before the crash). Contractor A ignored the mention of the P60s etc in a written response, and miraculously the offer was increased by another 100 quid.

    What is a reasonable response to this? Contractor A's LTD lost 1200 quid through no fault of its own, and Contractor A is being offered 700. A friendly solicitor has said that a claim through Moneyclaim would not even pause for thought that the contract was in the Ltd's name and not Contractor A's name.

    If anyone is still awake after all that - can they pick the bones out of Contractor A's admittedly tetchy response? I will of course forward the responses to Contractor A.

    "Why, if the contract began in December 2007, would taxation records from before that date be relevant? Why not later ones? Why taxation records when you have a legal document defining the material loss of earnings before tax is declared and paid? Do you intend to withhold tax on the settlement amount and pay it to the Inland Revenue on my behalf? At what rate? You have not explained the procedure you are intending to follow.

    Finally, as I have not proposed sending you my confidential tax returns – why increase your offer of an extra-judicial settlement? You are not throwing me a bone – I have demonstrated the loss sustained and I expect the claim to be settled in full"

    #2
    Contractor A is confusing himself and his company. The £1200 was due to the company not him.

    His company has suffered financial hardship not the individual so claiming you've lost £1200 personally is technically fraud. If you have a contract that says you get paid X personally and you didn't get that then you have a case. Dividends won't count towards this. I guess he paid himself around the same as before the crash so has not lost any money.

    If Contractor A company has lost out then they may have a case but if its a personal car then not really worth the hassle for a grand and a bit.

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      #3
      Is £500 really worth all the hassle?

      Insurance companies are f**kers. Life is not fair.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Sockpuppet View Post
        Contractor A is confusing himself and his company. The £1200 was due to the company not him.
        Yes, but this is an insurance claim - Contractor A is the insured party on the policy, not Contractor A Ltd. Business travel was covered. Contractor A can reimburse Contractor A Ltd following the claim.

        Life certainly isn't fair - loss adjuster was given a small claim to deal with but is imminently going to be finding out the way to Northampton soon. A much more substantial claim including legal costs and personal injury will be waiting for him there.

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          #5
          But hang on, how can you prove that the employee (contractor A), would have lost this much from 2 days work, just because his employer had won a contract? Wouldn't you need some sort of employment contract detailing this link?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Torrango View Post
            But hang on, how can you prove that the employee (contractor A), would have lost this much from 2 days work, just because his employer had won a contract? Wouldn't you need some sort of employment contract detailing this link?
            I think the point you are missing is that contractor A is reimbursing his company for it's lost earnings and so is out of pocket

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              #7
              ding - that's the idea.

              Contractor A is managing the claim because he is the insured party.

              It's not the only bone of contention in the claim - but it's a thorny one and one which pretty much everyone takes a different view on.

              Going back to the original crash - it was a pretty big smash up by any standards, and Contractor A is a lucky boy when all's said and done.

              These loss adjusters have been total t0ssbiscuits from the outset - even disputing that they should replace the infant seat in the back of a car which was crunched by an artic at 60mph!

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                #8
                Well loss adjusters work on the behalf of the insurance company so it's their job to get the injured party to accept as low a settlement figure as they can get away with. If they can bamboozle, bullsh1t or or outright con you into waiving part of your claim then they will do.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lexington_spurs View Post
                  Yes, but this is an insurance claim - Contractor A is the insured party on the policy, not Contractor A Ltd. Business travel was covered. Contractor A can reimburse Contractor A Ltd following the claim.
                  I'd say your not going to get very far with this.

                  If you lose pay then yes however you could claim that you'd lost a £2 million contract becuase of the accident doesn't meant that you could claim that and reimburse it.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sockpuppet View Post
                    I'd say your not going to get very far with this.

                    If you lose pay then yes however you could claim that you'd lost a £2 million contract becuase of the accident doesn't meant that you could claim that and reimburse it.
                    may betry and make an intelligent point about foreign hgvs? you're getting nowhere with the insurance stuff.

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