Working in Belgium via Connexion

[fatboyContractor]

I don't know where you've heard that from but I also confirm there is no problem. Most of them would be happy to have ex-connexion guys on board

Hi ContractorGR,

The lunch box has landed.............. Well, the "Ex Connexion`er" then....and it`s like a leprosy.

I have been told by two manco`s that the only solution for the "Ex connexion" people is 100% a couple of others will do a solution but I guess this is just the sales person thinking of the spondolicks he/she will earn rather than a conscious decision by the manco management how to treat the "Ex connexion "guys and gals. And one of the latter examples was an offer from a manco who has gone bust and reinvented itself three times in the last eight years, so why would they care.

One of the 100% manco`s really had an air of "Bring out ya dead " or "Unclean unclean" as soon as the magic Connexion was mentioned.

Its clear to me some manco`s are very concerned about possible impact to themselves from ex Connexion people others just want the money and won’t be around when the door bell rings.

[A Good Man]

The other Manco's...

I don't know where you've heard that from but I also confirm there is no problem. Most of them would be happy to have ex-connexion guys on board

Not so GR, I've spoken to a few Manco's too. One told me that they're closing their books to ex-Conners having taken on a few. Another stated that they didn't want to know. Given the state of the market at the moment, I suppose prudence is winning?

[ContractorGR]

Not so GR, I've spoken to a few Manco's too. One told me that they're closing their books to ex-Conners having taken on a few. Another stated that they didn't want to know. Given the state of the market at the moment, I suppose prudence is winning?

OK could be. I didn't have this behaviour from the manco's I contacted.
I still believe that Connexion was cought for some local irregularity which has to do with the payroll solution they were offering. As regards the other thing they were doing it is a bit difficult that they found anything
If a ManCo tells me that cannot take an ex-Conner then it means that their solution is not good and risky and they base their business on their 'good luck'

[fatboyContractor]

Last throw of the dice……………

When people get put up against the wall due to their own financial misdeeds they frequently get desperate and sometimes try to gamble their way out of jail. They are often prepared to take extraordinary risks in order to do so,look at Madoff………..

Does anyone remember the late Robert Maxwell – newspaper tycoon – he did £1.5 million in 3 minutes playing three roulette tables simultaneously………. such was his state of mind just before the end. ………..

So where are you going Fat boy?

A final act or possible final act equivalent to the above might be someone, a manco say, asking someone to send money to them for onward transfer to an official government body, like a tax man.

Example, Bert the agent, asks Joe the contractor, to send tax to him for safe onward forwarding to HM Tax inspector. The reason for this is that Joe cut a few corners tax wise, but Bert says he can square it with HM Tax inspector, IF the money comes via him.

Who would be so crass to ask someone to do this? Only someone looking to throw the dice just one last time. Who would be so crass to fall for it – only someone who is feeling somewhat guilty who thinks they can get of jail cheaper via Bert than directly with the authorities. Think about it gents, think about it…………. What is going down here.....

I am getting reports that “they” are asking people to cough up and send money to an account in Lux……. THIS IS NOT LEGAL. I am not talking about via a lawyer…………………………..This is direct to an acount in Lux

I say no more here than that, just remember Maxwell, Madoff, Ponzi and the rest of them, desperate last throws of the dice…...

Check out post 79 the final phrase of the post by Fatterboy – check it out now, it warns of exactly this scenario.

[ContractorGR]

I think it is illegal also that tax Authorities of any country make agreements with Specific ManCos....
Or you make a law and you say "From now on all ManCos can work with 75-25 and it is legal" or nothing.
Besides, imagine if Tax Authorities say that everybody can hide legally 25% (or 15% if you are resident)....all employees working to any company would like to save this 15%....everybody jump on to some ManCo...especially on the ones who were cought because now they are compliant!
Till the situation is not clear, I suggest to maintain our patience

[Fatterboy]

Well the main diff is that the agency uses the "margin" as its profit and can demostrate this. Connexion is a bit obvious as the actually said on their website that they charge 5% so how can they now hide the other percentage?

Is is so stupid it defies belief. How can you then defend your solution when you have already stated your rate? So to directly answer the question the BTA can see through the solution whereas with an agency, the margin is margin and they pay tax on that amount.

Furthermore, the dept that started the investigation was specific to permanent establishment and foreign entities. BTA could have finished CNX but they hid what we discuss as a fine as back taxes for perm establishment.

To give you an idea of how "clever" HJ was not.................. Every Irish company he set-up had the same address and then the two key lux ones did too. The BTA looked right through it and laughed all the way to the bank. No disrespect as such but they were schoolboy errors and they have led to this current situation

Then whoever invoices directly his UK agency (90% of the agencies are coming from UK...just give a look at jobserve) must also be investigated....
Can you tell me the difference between an agency that gets 30% of what the end client pays and a ManCo that gets 40%? I happen to see by mistake the invoice from the end client towards my UK agency and I found out they invoice almost 35% higher than my daily rate (just for example those are not the exact figures...they were invoicing 700 giving 450 to me!!)
Do you think the Belgian government gets anything from that 35%???
The UK agency should pay taxes in UK for that 35%
If the agency was in BVI they should pay 4% taxes on that 35% because local taxation is 4%. Is this illegal?

[fatboyContractor]

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To give you an idea of how "clever" HJ was not.................. Every Irish company he set-up had the same address and then the two key lux ones did too. The BTA looked right through it and laughed all the way to the bank. No disrespect as such but they were schoolboy errors and they have led to this current situation

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Plus Cnx website has "tax" written all over it whereas Cap gemini and the like has "genuine software service provider/company" written all over it.

Fatboy

[beCo09]

Hello everybody,

I am just another client of connexion in the same situation. They asked me to return the money shortfall into their luxemburg account (!!) and to sign a stupid Accord (it's a mickey mouse accord...).

Apparently they will take care of the money to get to the BTA ONLY if I accept to continue with them, otherwise the black cat will eat my left ear or smth.

Can I not just go to the BTA and pay? I mean, ok, I want to settle with the BTA and to go for 100% legal, but I want to pay the penalty by myself. Is there any risk on going straight to BTA?

Anyway, I can't believe they are such jerks. Trying to get all the money from us and for them to keep the full profit! Any normal and professional company would try to suffocate us with compensation proposals and bonuses, but they are trying to steal our last penny...

[Pepso]

Welcome on board Beco!
We should organise a dinner between all "lucky" connexion clients. How long have you been working with them?

[ContractorGR]

Hello everybody,

I am just another client of connexion in the same situation. They asked me to return the money shortfall into their luxemburg account (!!) and to sign a stupid Accord (it's a mickey mouse accord...).

Apparently they will take care of the money to get to the BTA ONLY if I accept to continue with them, otherwise the black cat will eat my left ear or smth.

Can I not just go to the BTA and pay? I mean, ok, I want to settle with the BTA and to go for 100% legal, but I want to pay the penalty by myself. Is there any risk on going straight to BTA?

Anyway, I can't believe they are such jerks. Trying to get all the money from us and for them to keep the full profit! Any normal and professional company would try to suffocate us with compensation proposals and bonuses, but they are trying to steal our last penny...

Hi Beco,
As we don't know what is the agreement (if any) between BTA and Connexion, I think it is risky just go to BTA and present what was going on...besides, there might be no agreement so you will find yourself paying for all the years back and of course getting no paper saying you are 'clean'
I would suggest to wait a bit