BN66 - Time to fight back!!!

[Diver]

they must achieve a "fair balance"
between the demands of the general interest of the community and the
requirements of the protection of the individual's fundamental rights and that
there must be a reasonable relationship of proportionality between the means
used and the aim pursued

reasonable?

I think not

[BrilloPad]

Phew! There's some pretty damning stuff amongst that lot, in our favour...

<snip> how do you feel about betraying the basic tenets of the Magna Carta?...you must be real proud of yourself...

I have seen the magna carta broken before. The depths these animals will sink to knows no bounds.

[BrilloPad]

Hi guys.

I too have been lurking for some time. I joined Montpelier mid 2007 and am yet to have my first tax return filed by them. Not surprisingly, I have been a little perplexed by the retrospective element.

Can I just say; I think Montpelier are great. Everything just works. All I have to do is submit time sheets and provide some info for tax returns. True there is not much difference in terms of take-home at the end of the day. The alternative is an administrative nightmare with the chance of being shafted by HMRC for IR35 or their next little piece of legislation to ensnare two-man limited companies.

Initially I thought of leaving them and going back to running a ltd. However, the more I have researched the issue, the more I realise what a bunch of piss takers HMRC are. After speaking to Montpelier some time ago, I learned the test cases being brought before the special tax commission (or whatever it's called) have been dropped by HMRC. This is all thanks to their new dragnet of retrospective penalty. I.e. they knew they didn't have a hope in hell of defending their stance because the laws were hopelessly flawed.

For me, this is a matter of principle now. I intend to stick by Montpelier. I hope for the sake of every single contractor that they win. There are some serious principles on the line here - not just for those who have made use their tax planning. In fact, I am also starting to think they have a fighting chance.

Anyway. I had to post to be able to subscribe to the thread, so there you have it...

Hello and welcome to the thread

Thanks for un-lurking!

Can I ask - above you cover the old scheme - are you happy with the new scheme?

BP

[TheGadgetMan]

I have seen the magna carta broken before. The depths these animals will sink to knows no bounds.

<snip> do the words 'fair and equitable' exist in your world?

If so, perhaps you can include your definition of the above words when you send your closure notice...

and, BTW, could you pull your finger out and get that closure notice to me ASAP...I need to get that Appeal off to you...you've had ALL the info for nearly 6 years now...so you've had more than ample time to sort it out...

you threatened to apply penalties if we didn't get our Partnership Accounts to you by the given date...can we penalise YOU if we dont get our Closure Notices by the end of September?...I suppose not..that wouldn't be 'fair and equitable' now, would it...

[ASB]

<snip> do the words 'fair and equitable' exist in your world?

If so, perhaps you can include your definition of the above words when you send your closure notice...

and, BTW, could you pull your finger out and get that closure notice to me ASAP...I need to get that Appeal off to you...you've had ALL the info for nearly 6 years now...so you've had more than ample time to sort it out...

you threatened to apply penalties if we didn't get our Partnership Accounts to you by the given date...can we penalise YOU if we dont get our Closure Notices by the end of September?...I suppose not..that wouldn't be 'fair and equitable' now, would it...

If you really want a closure notice then I think you can get one by demanding a notice of determination. If you are sure you want to force the issue then I think you'll find you can.

[TheGadgetMan]

If you really want a closure notice then I think you can get one by demanding a notice of determination. If you are sure you want to force the issue then I think you'll find you can.

No, I'm not foolish enough to 'demand' a notice of determination...I'm not so desperate to stick my head above the parapet...

BUT I do want <snip> to do his job properly...and in a way that is 'fair and equitable'...that is the point that I was trying to make...he has had ALL the info he needs for 6 years thru my tax returns - Partnership Accounts wont tell him any more than he already knows...

...but dont be surprised if he now spends another 6 months issuing closure notices...think about all that extra interest that will be racking up at 7.5% annually...multiply that by 3000 contractors...thats a sizeable wedge of OUR money... <snip> could quite probably justify a promotion on that basis alone...ie on the back of our pain...

no, I want to be treated fairly...

[BrilloPad]

If you really want a closure notice then I think you can get one by demanding a notice of determination. If you are sure you want to force the issue then I think you'll find you can.

I wonder if montpelier would approve? I know they await closure notices to appeal them - hence opening up a second line of attack on <snip>. I reckon if they had a willing volunteer they would go for it - though that is my personal opinion.

[TheGadgetMan]

I wonder if montpelier would approve? I know they await closure notices to appeal them - hence opening up a second line of attack on <snip>. I reckon if they had a willing volunteer they would go for it - though that is my personal opinion.

...it may be true that MP are looking for a volunteer...however, I'm not that man...

anyone out there gonna volunteer to create that new smiley?

[poppy01]

I understand EDS handled the self-assessment system when it was developed 10 or so years ago (I know, I worked on it). Wonder of they're still involved. Perhaps the reason they havent issued closure notices is they've lost all our data (I can dream) . They really are a bunch of muppets arent they.

[poppy01]

I wonder if montpelier would approve? I know they await closure notices to appeal them - hence opening up a second line of attack on <snip>. I reckon if they had a willing volunteer they would go for it - though that is my personal opinion.

why doesnt everyone send in a request for a notice of determination. make the buggers do some work... then we appeal the lot