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Definition of "professional accountants" in the context of MSC providers

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    Definition of "professional accountants" in the context of MSC providers

    Last night I received a briefing note from Blake Lapthorn Tarlo Lyons, a huge legal practice with particular specialism in the contracting industry. I can't copy and paste this here as it is on a pdf although I can send a copy if anyone is interested.

    HMRC's briefing note issued on 30/03/07 says that "professionally qualified persons normally would not be considered to be an MSC Provider except to the extent that they are in the business of promoting and facilitating the use of companies to provide the services of individuals.".

    Tarlo Lyons interpretation of this includes the following:-

    "It may be an essential ingredient for the accounting services company to be owned by (a) qualified professional(s) with qualified professional(s) supervising the operations of the accounting services company, and with current practising certificates from a body like the ICAEW or the Law Society."

    I have stated previously that I think this is a possibility and the wording of HMRC's guidance note and this advice from BLTL now strengthens that.

    HMRC will have to clarify what is meant by professional accountants and the obvious thing to do is to include those regulated by a recognised authority because:-
    • It is easy legislation to write
    • It is easy legislation to police
    • It is effective in that it is very difficult to avoid and catches most of those intended to be caught.


    I think that those who do not use an accountant regulated by the ICAEW are at risk of falling within the MSC legislation. The impact of this is that the company must pay all of its income back out to the shareholder/director under PAYE. Further, unlike IR35, if it does not, the unpaid taxes can be collected from the director/shareholder personally. Is that a risk you are prepared to take?

    Naturally, I wouldn't expect the non-Chartered accountants who post on this board to accept this but BLTL have no hidden agenda and the HMRC guidance notes refer specifically to "professionally qualified persons" so make your own minds up how that is likely to be enforced.

    #2
    I'm a qualified software engineer but I'm not certified by or a member of the British Computer Society. Your legal team used the word "may" in referring to whether being a chartered accountant is required to meet the definition of qualified. I wonder if it would be legal to effectively force an accountant to join what is in effect a trade body in order to continue practising effectively. I suspect not.
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      #3
      Just for clarification, Tarlo Lyons are completely independant from my firm, Hillier Hopkins.

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        #4
        So you (or rather they ) are saying that although I am an established business, providing book-keeping services to many sectors including contractors, have over 20 years experience in my field (including 8 years working for HMRC), have liability and PI insurance for my business, have full qualifications in other fields but am only a part-qualified accountant (and note that I never claim otherwise, anywhere) I am automatically an MSC scheme provider just because I don't hold (or claim to hold) a full accounting qualification and/or an ICAEW practising certificate or similar?

        Hmmmm. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one in that position in that case......... going to be a lot of unhappy book-keepers in the coming few months I reckon...........

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          #5
          So my accountant who is ACCA regsitered is illegal !
          What a load of cobblers ..
          It would be useful if you could have told your 'independent lawyers' that there are other regulatory bodies for accountants apart from the ICAEW

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            #6
            My personal opinion is that it will be regulated by an appropriate organisation which would include ACCA but who knows? And where would you draw the line?

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              #7
              Further, unlike IR35, if it does not, the unpaid taxes can be collected from the director/shareholder personally. Is that a risk you are prepared to take?
              THEPUMA why do you say unlike IR35? Isn't the tax owed as a result of a succesful (for HRMC!) IR35 investigation also collected from the director/shareholder personally if the company doesn't have the fund?

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                #8
                If the company doesn't have the funds, HMRC can only recover tax from the shareholder/director where they can prove that the aforementioned individual received the monies knowing that the company had wilfully failed to deduct tax prior to the payment.

                Given the ambiguity of IR35 that burden of proof is virtually impossible to prove. This is why the new debt transfer rules have been brought in as HMRC have fa iled to collect tax from companies managed by Giant etc even where they have successfully challenged someone's IR35 status.

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                  #9
                  Thanks for the clarification. Didn't know that.

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                    #10
                    I thought shareholders are not responsible for the company's performance hence are not liable.

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