Putting up Day rate..?

[northernladuk]

Yeah of course you as a contractor will thank that but the perception will be you are greedy, unless you go in too low or find out the agent screwed you then I usually don't as for rises.

Again you are talking about the client who has nothing to do with your contract with the agent. Deal with the agent... Who is used to this... The client will never know.

[Unix]

Again you are talking about the client who has nothing to do with your contract with the agent. Deal with the agent... Who is used to this... The client will never know.

Agent will tell the client you want a raise they won't take it all out of their cut, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up. Also what if you are direct?

[MrMarkyMark]

Agent will tell the client you want a raise they won't take it all out of their cut, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up. Also what if you are direct?

The agent won't necessarily tell the client, its not always in their interest to do so.
They do release some of their cut, if it is in their interests, I assure you.

If you are direct you negotiate with the client directly, simples.

[psychocandy]

Best to do this at the start of the contract, else you look like a money grabbing a-hole.

Someone talking sense. My comments still stand.

An agent will guard his margin like his 16 year old daughter. A client won't want to pay more ever if he can help it.

Fair play if you can get either to bend but I rarely have... Perhaps Im crap ;-)

[psychocandy]

Agent will tell the client you want a raise they won't take it all out of their cut, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up. Also what if you are direct?

Spot on. I've seen it happen with someone else. They found out agent was on a huge margin. 40% or so.

So come renewal time, they said to agent parties over rate increase or I'm off please. So agent goes to client and says contractor bertie is demanding a rate increase or hes going to leave.

So clients PERCEPTION is that contractor is a money grabbing greedy git.

[psychocandy]

Is it possible to get any more bollocks in one paragraph? If the Mods really are looking at the quality of advice on here they they've found a good place to start.

So my opinion differs from yours and it should be disallowed?

If thats the case, suggest we change the name of the forum to "NLUK, the other good old boys, and his mod mates contractors forum"

[MrMarkyMark]

Spot on. I've seen it happen with someone else. They found out agent was on a huge margin. 40% or so.

So come renewal time, they said to agent parties over rate increase or I'm off please. So agent goes to client and says contractor bertie is demanding a rate increase or hes going to leave.

So clients PERCEPTION is that contractor is a money grabbing greedy git.

Phhhht.

If the contractor has such a poor relationship with his client that's his look out.
i.e. if he can't discuss the huge agent margin and his stance, with them, then that is his problem.

In general you have never negotiated anything, you just come and moan about injustices on here.
If you negotiated well, we might hear from you less

[northernladuk]

Agent will tell the client you want a raise they won't take it all out of their cut, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to wake up. Also what if you are direct?

WTF is going on today. I can't believe some of the tulip I'm reading today. Do you really think an agent will jepordise his income by involving the client where it's not required. It just doesn't make sense for a start. Practically speaking I've had rate rises on two of my last three gigs and the client didn't get a whiff. There are plenty of people on this forum that have said the same.
Agents might be cut throat mercenaries but their job is to keep the client happy. He's not going to be dropping his contractor in it and upset the client for a few 10s of pounds if he's already been taking an above average cut.

Don't get me wrong this isn't a given. The agent may be on a fixed margin and he might also play hardball so the contractor will need to make it stick.

The fact that PC agrees is enough to prove you are missing the mark alone.

[northernladuk]

Spot on. I've seen it happen with someone else. They found out agent was on a huge margin. 40% or so.

So come renewal time, they said to agent parties over rate increase or I'm off please. So agent goes to client and says contractor bertie is demanding a rate increase or hes going to leave.

So clients PERCEPTION is that contractor is a money grabbing greedy git.

That's got to be a made up story.. And if it's not there are always odd cases. Just because you found one extreme case doesn't mean it's the standard. Funny how you always know these extreme cases though....

[northernladuk]

If thats the case, suggest we change the name of the forum to "NLUK, the other good old boys, and his mod mates contractors forum"

Even when ranting you can't get it right lol. The mods would throw a party if I ever flounced. Not just the mods either.