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    Quote Originally Posted by neil99 View Post
    The assumption is that even for those who settled, the charge will apply for closed years.
    What is the objective of this charge, I mean the official objective? They are not content with pushing through some facicst legislation to tax us in a "guilty till proven innocent" fashion but also want to impose some punitive charge for being involved in a scheme in the first place? Seriously when will this end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    What is the objective of this charge, I mean the official objective? They are not content with pushing through some facicst legislation to tax us in a "guilty till proven innocent" fashion but also want to impose some punitive charge for being involved in a scheme in the first place? Seriously when will this end?
    It will end when everyone is on PAYE or the dole. Anything in between is considered tax dodging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaredM View Post
    It will end when everyone is on PAYE or the dole. Anything in between is considered tax dodging.
    Is there any indication on what this charge will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    What is the objective of this charge, I mean the official objective? They are not content with pushing through some facicst legislation to tax us in a "guilty till proven innocent" fashion but also want to impose some punitive charge for being involved in a scheme in the first place? Seriously when will this end?
    The "official" objective is to "put beyond doubt that such loans are considered taxable"
    The "unofficial" objective is to cover up the whole bloody mess and HMRC's culpability in the whole thing over the past 16 years. This will be done by sacrificing a convenient scapegoat group.

    The money is but a nice extra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DotasScandal View Post
    The "official" objective is to "put beyond doubt that such loans are considered taxable"
    The "unofficial" objective is to cover up the whole bloody mess and HMRC's culpability in the whole thing over the past 16 years. This will be done by sacrificing a convenient scapegoat group.

    The money is but a nice extra.

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    A snippet from https://www.gov.uk/government/public...echnical-note:


    The government is also committed to ensuring that those who have used these schemes in the past arenít allowed to get away with it.
    To meet this objective, the government will introduce legislation to put beyond doubt that all loans or debts from a disguised remuneration scheme will be taxed as
    earnings if they havenít already been fully taxed or repaid
    on or before 5 April 2019.

    So no charge if you've settled/paid APN, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post
    So no charge if you've settled/paid APN, right?
    HMRC officials think every year EBT used will be under consideration irrespective including closed years if you've settled already. Obviously APN is a payment on account towards the final bill which will include interest.

    SO if for example 200k loans over 3 years from 2005-8 expect a tax bill north of 90k.

    Great isn't it :-(

    You could always join Big Group in the anticipation that we'll be able to negotiate a better deal with the tax man. But the bottom line is terrifying and will bankrupt thousands.
    Last edited by neil99; 4th August 2016 at 13:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frodo View Post

    So no charge if you've settled/paid APN, right?
    Be nice to think so, but from conversations we had with HMRC (not the top policy makers but front line grunts) they consider that a loan FROM ANY YEAR which has not had tax applied to it, is liable to the April 2019 charge.

    That is regardless of whether an enquiry has been opened correctly, you have taken the CLSO, you are no longer even in the country.

    Madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webberg View Post
    Be nice to think so, but from conversations we had with HMRC (not the top policy makers but front line grunts) they consider that a loan FROM ANY YEAR which has not had tax applied to it, is liable to the April 2019 charge.

    That is regardless of whether an enquiry has been opened correctly, you have taken the CLSO, you are no longer even in the country.

    Madness.
    Politicians have done a masterful job of exploiting the easily misguided reflex conditioning of the unthinking masses in this country. "Paying your fair share" rings in the ears of the howling mob and vacuous politicians, interested only in keeping office, howl with them. "APN" and "April 2019 tax charge" are deceptive terms to disguise what is a brutal cash grab of those who arranged their affairs lawfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webberg View Post
    Be nice to think so, but from conversations we had with HMRC (not the top policy makers but front line grunts) they consider that a loan FROM ANY YEAR which has not had tax applied to it, is liable to the April 2019 charge.

    That is regardless of whether an enquiry has been opened correctly, you have taken the CLSO, you are no longer even in the country.

    Madness.
    I took up the CLSO as it was a small amount and paid tax and interest and have a letter stating that I have settled. - I have no other years in question - Are you stating HMRC will apply another charge to me in 2019?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ireland2013 View Post
    I took up the CLSO as it was a small amount and paid tax and interest and have a letter stating that I have settled. - I have no other years in question - Are you stating HMRC will apply another charge to me in 2019?
    If you had other "scheme" years not included in the CLSO for whatever reason, yes. Otherwise, no.

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