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Originally posted by ContrataxLtd View PostNot really another ink in the chain because it's something you have complete control over where as an Umbrella company is a third party handling your cash in the chain which just increases the risk in my opinion.
Can you (or are you allowed to) let us know the list of Umbrella's that you can choose from as TheFaQQer has said then people might be able to share their own experiences with those Umbrella companies so you can get some specific feedback that way?
Martin
Contratax Ltd
Ltd case:
client->agency->Ltd->me
Umbrella case:
client->agency->umbrella->me
I count same number of inks in the chain.
Now, about how ltd is "freedom and control": you are still dancing under taxmans tune, only now you have to keep more variables in mind while dancing.
In that respect ltd is another ink just as umbrella is. But that is not what this thread is about.Comment
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Originally posted by gardener View PostLets count then.
Ltd case:
client->agency->Ltd->me
Umbrella case:
client->agency->umbrella->me
I count same number of inks in the chain.
Ltd case:
client->agency->Ltd->me = 2
Umbrella case:
client->agency->umbrella->me = 1
Originally posted by gardener View PostNow, about how ltd is "freedom and control": you are still dancing under taxmans tune, only now you have to keep more variables in mind while dancing.
How much control does your umbrella company give you over how you operate, or do you have to follow what they say because they are your employer?
Originally posted by gardener View PostIn that respect ltd is another ink just as umbrella is.Comment
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I'm not sure why you keep mentioning inks in chains, but anyway.....
I've worked through OrangeGenie for a number of years now and haven't had a bad experience yet.
Their online portal is relatively simply to use for timesheets and expenses etc and more importantly, they pay on time and are quick to answer any queries.
I'd be happy to recommend them, but as always do your own research and make sure whoever you choose is right for you.Comment
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Thanks for the recommendations lads
To the op - there are a number of things you need to be aware of when choosing an umbrella company and how their actions could affect you.
Firstly, you need to ensure that the whole contract value less the umbrella company's margin is subject to PAYE tax; some companies advertise themselves as brollies but, in fact, operate tax avoidance schemes which use loans or trusts that will put you at serious financial risk (there is a whole section on this forum devoted to the trouble that contractors have found themselves in after using an avoidance scheme).
Secondly you should check out the contract of employment that you will be signing with them to make sure that it is genuinely overarching - this is a complicated issue but HMRC have extensive guidance in their own internal manuals ESM2075 - Agency and temporary workers: overarching contracts of employment - background - this will give you an overview of the concept but you will find more here: ESM2085 - Agency and temporary workers: overarching contracts of employment - the contract. If the umbrella company doesn't operate an over arching contract your workplaces will be viewed as permanent by HMRC and you will have no entitlement to tax relief on travel and subsistence expenses which could mean a bill for additional tax in the future. The umbrella company should also ask you to confirm that it is your intention to work on more than one assignment whilst you are in their employment - a single assignment would be viewed as permanent by HMRC and, again, you would have no entitlement to tax relief on travel and subsistence expenses.
Thirdly you should ask them all for quotes and ensure that the figures you are provided with are more or less identical (the only difference should be the margin retained by the umbrella company) - if one company offers more than another then they may be operating a tax avoidance scheme or they may be including an amount for expenses in the calculation that you would not actually be entitled to claim.
Fourthly you should ensure that you would be entitled to all the statutory payments whilst in their employment - this is a legal obligation and any payments should be made from the umbrella company's profits and not from monies which are deducted from the contractor to cover such payments. You should also ensure that any holiday pay will be paid to you when you actually are on leave and not 'rolled up' as part of your weekly/monthly salary.
Fifthly you should ensure that you would be entitled to a salary payment even if the umbrella company had not received funds from the agency - the amount that is processed after the umbrella company's margin has been accounted for as well as the amount that they are legally obliged to pay for Employer's NIC's must exceed minimum wage otherwise there will be a contravention of the legislation surrounding minimum wage payments.
Lastly you should ensure that any questions you have can be answered comprehensively by the person you speak to when you make your enquiries - you should know exactly what to expect.
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Originally posted by gardener View PostMy list:
Black Diamond Umbrella ltd
CPM (contranet project management) ltd
Focused Consulting
Nasa Umbrella ltd
Parasol Limited
Cascade Management solutions ltd
Danbro
Hyperlink Services ltd
Orange Genie Cover Limited
Paystream My Max ltd
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ContractorUmbrella are the best in my opinion, Parasol are horrendous do a search and you'll find a host of threads about employment charges etcIn Scooter we trustComment
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Originally posted by gardener View PostMy list:
Orange Genie Cover Limited
Paystream My Max ltd
GiantComment
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Orange Genie takes the cake so far
Thanks all who advised me.
Out of few companies I contacted Orange Genie was most responsive and helpfull so far.Comment
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Parasol are a friendly bunch at least they were when I was with them.
Umbrella Company | PAYE Umbrella or Limited set up? | ParasolComment
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