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So these changes to dividend tax - are they definitely coming in April 2016? No mention of the changes from what I can see.
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SDC chargeable
Originally posted by Stevie Wonder BoyThis is what I've gathered.
Effectively another layer of complexity to the market and more jobs for HMRC and advisers.
1) No, unless Brolly talks to Client and agrees its outside SDC and IR35
2) No, unless Agency-Client-Brolly agrees its outside SDC and IR35
3) Yes, as long as contract is outside IR35 (No SDC test)
4) Yes, as long as contract is outside IR35 (No SDC test)
Unbelievable level of complexity now....
How about making SDC a chargeable service to the client, £500 a day or £550 with the right Of SDC. It would at least be very clear whether the Client Wants SDC or not.
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Yes, in your scheme, assuming the relevant contract is not inside IR35. Not sure where you got the last quote, but the rules apply to direct and agency contracts alike and the policing arrangements haven't changed, i.e. business as usual....for now.
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So expenses wise come next April ..
1) client,umbrella = no
2) client,agency,umbrella = no
3) client,ltd = yes
4) client,agency,ltd = ??
is 4) yes or no ?
"the eligibility for relief will be determined based on whether or not the intermediaries legislation (IR35) applies"
"contractors who are not paid through an agency only have to consider IR35"
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
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Originally posted by MarkT View PostSo here's the bit we wanted to know about:
1.13. Employment Intermediaries and tax relief for travel and subsistence
As announced at Autumn Statement, legislation will be introduced in Finance Bill 2016 to restrict tax relief for travel and subsistence expenses for workers engaged through an employment intermediary, such as an umbrella company or a personal service company. Following consultation, relief will be restricted for individuals working through personal service companies where the intermediaries’ legislation (IR35) applies, and for individuals working through other employment intermediaries, where the worker is under supervision, direction or control in the manner they carry out the work. The legislation will include provisions for transfer of debt in appropriate circumstances to help ensure compliance. The changes will take effect from 6 April 2016. A response to the consultation was published on 9 December 2015. (Draft clause 9 and TIIN)
Good news for contractors in the Finance Bill 2016 | Intouch
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Finance bill 2016 : GAAR & Anti-Abuse Legislation
HMRC reveals draft anti-abuse legislation
The Revenue has revealed draft clauses for the Finance Bill 2016 concerning HMRC criminal powers, new penalties for those falling foul of the GAAR and measures to help tackle serial tax avoiders.
On the tax administration front the Revenue has put out policy papers on civil sanctions for enablers of offshore tax evasion, criminal offence for offshore tax evaders, a new threshold condition for promoters of tax avoidance schemes and a serial avoiders special regime.
In addition it has revealed policy papers on corporation tax anti-hybrid rules, penalties for the General Anti-Abuse Rule (GAAR) and the extension of new data-gathering powers.
Serial avoiders special regime
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...special-regime
The final tax administration document, announced at March Budget 2015, applies to taxpayers who repeatedly use tax avoidance schemes.
The government will legislate to provide that HMRC must issue a notice to the user of a tax avoidance scheme which HMRC has defeated. The notice will cover a five-year period, placing an annual reporting requirement on the taxpayer and warning that if HMRC defeats any further tax avoidance schemes used during that period, the taxpayer will face a series of increasing sanctions, including penalties, publication of the taxpayer’s details and denial of access to tax reliefs.
The measure, included in draft clause 63, will have effect on and after 6 April 2017.
Taxpayers who use tax avoidance schemes before the date of Royal Assent to Finance Act 2016 but which HMRC defeats on or after 6 April 2017 will be issued with warning notices, unless they advise HMRC before 6 April 2017 of their firm intention to relinquish their position and settle their case.
Taxpayers who use further avoidance schemes while under warning which HMRC defeat, will become liable to a penalty of 20% of the understated tax and subsequent defeats will result in increasing penalties to a maximum of 60%.
Penalties for the General Anti-Abuse Rule
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nti-abuse-rule
This legislation in draft clauses 60-62 will introduce a penalty of 60% of the tax due, which will be charged in all cases successfully tackled by the GAAR.
Announced at March Budget 2015, the government will also make “small changes” to the GAAR’s procedure to improve its ability to tackle marketed avoidance schemes.
Legislation will be introduced in FB 2016 and will be triggered when a taxpayer submits to HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) a return, claim or document that includes arrangements which are later found to come within the scope of the GAAR.
The GAAR procedure will be amended such that a GAAR Advisory Panel opinion will enable counteraction of the same arrangements by other users. The GAAR procedure will also be amended to enable a “protective” assessment of tax, to align the GAAR procedure with the overarching enquiry framework.
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Originally posted by Boo View PostIMHO : all clients will insist on clauses saying they have direction and control because of the following :
- For a b.o.s. contractor that is what they want anyway.
- There's no advantage to the client in accepting the risk of a transfer of debt. You could argue that if they let it pass on a nod and a wink then they might gain by a lower contract rate but the client won't see it like that. They will see the rate as being that which applies to the work being done, the contractors tax / expenses affairs are irrelevant to the employer. Therefore the client and agency will just put the terms into their standard contracts and will pass over anyone who kicks up a fuss.
If rates rise as a result then the end result will be that T&S are effectively taxed for Ltd Co. contractors but rates can only rise when there is a shortage of contractors cf the requirement and all the clients I hear of prefer permies at this time anyway.
The thing about terms like thses is that once they get a hold in the HR and other relevant departments they are set in stone for that client and the person who really wants *you* specifically rather than any old contractor, ie the hiring manager, does not have the ability to overrule them.
This is still in the discussion stage though, isn't it ? Is there a government department of email address we can write to to let our feelings known about the adverse impact this will have on our businesses ?
Boo
It's all rather hypothetical for now. There was an IR35 discussion document, for which the results are not yet available. Strong representations were made about the potential impacts. We're speculating on the basis of a direction of travel, albeit quite a clear direction (e.g. onshore intermediaries reporting requirements and agency regulations, now T&S, and the preferred option in the IR35 discussion document). That said, in Finance Bill 2016, they did back-off from an SDC rule for those seeking T&S relief for regular commuting when working through a Ltd company. You can view this as a concession or response to lobbying. Personally, I view it as a placeholder for more substantial IR35 reform. Some of us have written to our MPs for what that is worth.
I think we're in a holding pattern until we see the response to the IR35 discussion and any associated consultation. It's likely to come quite soon. I believe there's an IR35 Forum meeting next week, so that may shed some light.
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- For a b.o.s. contractor that is what they want anyway.
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Originally posted by Boo View PostIMHO : all clients will insist on clauses saying they have direction and control because of the following :
[LIST=1][*]For a b.o.s. contractor that is what they want anyway.
[*]There's no advantage to the client in accepting the risk of a transfer of debt.
Boo
I can see a split coming between big orgs who want genuine contractors and smaller places who just want additional bodies they can flex.
And at some point, someone under an sdc contract will test for employment rights.
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post...how many clients would be willing to entertain these clauses?
- For a b.o.s. contractor that is what they want anyway.
- There's no advantage to the client in accepting the risk of a transfer of debt. You could argue that if they let it pass on a nod and a wink then they might gain by a lower contract rate but the client won't see it like that. They will see the rate as being that which applies to the work being done, the contractors tax / expenses affairs are irrelevant to the employer. Therefore the client and agency will just put the terms into their standard contracts and will pass over anyone who kicks up a fuss.
If rates rise as a result then the end result will be that T&S are effectively taxed for Ltd Co. contractors but rates can only rise when there is a shortage of contractors cf the requirement and all the clients I hear of prefer permies at this time anyway.
The thing about terms like thses is that once they get a hold in the HR and other relevant departments they are set in stone for that client and the person who really wants *you* specifically rather than any old contractor, ie the hiring manager, does not have the ability to overrule them.
This is still in the discussion stage though, isn't it ? Is there a government department of email address we can write to to let our feelings known about the adverse impact this will have on our businesses ?
Boo
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- For a b.o.s. contractor that is what they want anyway.
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I think a large number would. I have worked with several that have no interest in sdc. They want a job doing and then that person to politely f.o.
We may find it becomes role specific rather than company specific. Most backfill and support roles will be within sdc by their nature. Equally, I would expect them to last longer. Those roles for which there is only a fixed piece of work will be more likely to be outside.
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Originally posted by WordIsBond View PostIt raises an interesting point. As with all half-baked legislation, there could be unintended consequences to this "right to SDC" idea. If the contract says they have no right to SDC, then the end client can legitimately tell HMRC that they have no right to SDC -- whatever the working practices may be.
If they legislate to throw out all the case law and make it just about the "right" to SDC, then you are talking about what legal rights the client has, and that is defined by the contract. Mystical divination about what the working practices may or may not have been 6 years ago, and whether you helped a client once on the weekend or talked to their programmers about code structure a couple times, doesn't really have any place in evaluating legal rights.
However, an appropriately worded clause on SDC (or the right thereof) will be much stronger, in practice, than a similarly worded clause on D&C under IR35, simply because of the transfer of debt provisions. Everyone in the contract chain will, pretty quickly, become attune to the implications of SDC and they will act in unity, led by the end client. Either they will be supportive and back it all the way, or they will be unsupportive and explicitly reject it upfront. It will become much more black and white IMO, which is a good thing for anyone that can manage to secure such a clause, as well as being good for HMRC. It will be quite bad for contracting more generally though (not because of the SDC test, but the transfer of debt and, hence, the keen interest of the client and agency to avoid it in most cases). False self-employment will be replaced by false employment. The big question remains, to what extent, i.e. how many clients would be willing to entertain these clauses?
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It raises an interesting point. As with all half-baked legislation, there could be unintended consequences to this "right to SDC" idea. If the contract says they have no right to SDC, then the end client can legitimately tell HMRC that they have no right to SDC -- whatever the working practices may be.
If they legislate to throw out all the case law and make it just about the "right" to SDC, then you are talking about what legal rights the client has, and that is defined by the contract. Mystical divination about what the working practices may or may not have been 6 years ago, and whether you helped a client once on the weekend or talked to their programmers about code structure a couple times, doesn't really have any place in evaluating legal rights.
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End Client Breach of Contract ?
Most of the contractors work via agencies, no contractual nexus with the client. Therefore how can there be breach of contract if the client states that contractors are under SDC or caught by IR35.
I agree with the above comment regarding deb transfer provisions, if this becomes the law, vast majority of the clients will ensure explicit clauses are brought in to reflect that contractors are under SDC.
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