C# is just Java…only a little worse

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PCWorld then yeh?

I am currently doing a lot of work for a company who sell operating systems, office productivity packages and enterprise level server products. All .NET

My rate varies depending on the client. Top money £500/day. Usually around £400.

I do work for several clients at the same time (evenings and weekends), including support work.

I have had about 6 weeks slack time over the last 12 months.

Luvvly Jubbly.

re: PCWorld

Ah its on PCWorld, the firm that sells Simpsons mouse mats & printer cartridges. Reputable.

Remember this story is "alleged". And without firm facts it doesn't mean anything.

I'm happy to know that if I write a program in Java, its not chained to an O/S.

Dim if thats not a secret how much you get paid and for what kind of projects? like briefly describe it without names and details please?

Re: Java sucks - according to Sun!

There is a leaked internal memo from Sun saying that Java should not be used for any internal systems at Sun because the whole implementation sucks.:lol

If that is not evidence enough to put any big co from using Java I don't know what is.

www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,109301,00.asp

Senior engineers at Sun Microsystems had serious doubts about using Java to build commercial applications for the company's own Solaris operating system, according to a memo leaked onto the Internet last week.

"While the Java language provides many advantages over C and C++, its implementation on Solaris presents barriers to the delivery of reliable applications. These barriers prevent general acceptance of Java for production software within Sun," according to the memo, which was apparently written by a Sun engineer and appeared last week on the Web site InternalMemos.com.

The memo appears as something of an embarrassment for Sun, suggesting that it had trouble implementing Java, which it invented, on its own operating system. The company downplayed its significance, however, calling it "a two-year-old document which refers to an old implementation of Java technology."

"It doesn't represent Sun's position or the reality of our implementation today. The issues mentioned in the memo are irrelevant at this point," the company said in a statement. The author of the memo, which is undated, declined to comment, citing company policy.

The Java Problem
The memo recounts a litany of concerns about Java that were shared by "several senior engineers" at Sun. Titled "The Java Problem," it describes "the difficulties that keep our Solaris Java implementation from being practical for the development of common software applications."

Among them, it states that the Java Runtime Environment (JRE), a key part of the Java platform, was too large, which had a "drastic effect" on performance and system resources. It suggests the JRE could be reduced in size by around 80 percent.

It also faults the support model for Java within Sun. Java upgrades were released every four to five months and introduced new bugs as well as fixing old ones. The upgrades replaced earlier releases entirely and couldn't be reversed in the event of error. In addition, around one-fifth of Java bugs reported internally to Sun were quickly closed as "do not fix," compared to 7 percent for bugs involving C++, the memo states.

Java sucks - according to Sun!

"www.advogato.org/article/624.html
Sorry, but Java is dead in the water. "

Is that from a Sun employee? Java certainly isn't high performance, but it was never meant to be. Its meant to be portable & platform neutral - it loses a lot of speed because of this - because it doesn't borrow and rely on clunky OS objects.

I think a lot of business's will say "well thats fast enough for us, at that price"

Java sucks - according to Sun!

www.advogato.org/article/624.html

Sorry, but Java is dead in the water.

Re: re

".Net may not be as cheap as Linux but at least its write once, test once"

So is Java if you only run it on one platform. The thing is, you can choose the platform.

Re: re

I was not going to comment on this but

Java's market share will increase because of its portability and cost saving

I don't think Java's ever been cheap and as for portability (the adage write once, test everywhere springs to mind).

Moving from platform to platform and application server to application server is seriously time consuming (even with unit testing confirming that the basic stuff works). .Net may not be as cheap as Linux but at least its write once, test once (twice if you're being really clever and porting to mono).

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Stick with Linux and Java and MySql and PHP and all that crap then.

I'll stick with what earns me a six figure salary.

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all the young IT grads are learning Java as the main language. Java's market share will increase because of its portability and cost saving

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"Look at the stability, scalability and reliability of the Microsoft platform."

:rollin

You can't look at something that doesn't exist..

Look at the stability, scalability and reliability of the Microsoft platform.

That article was written by a moron.

In time you will be saying "Is C# better than Java?"

and the young IT grads will say "What's Java?".

You have been warned!

Forget the C#/Java angle.

Look at what the CLR/Framework offers vs J2EE.

Look at the ease, performance, and market take up of the MS offering.

Look at the enormous rates I'm being paid to do .NET :lol

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